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Deuteronomy 12:31: You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.
Deuteronomy 18:9-12: When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire...Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.
The above scriptures are allegedly from the mind of God, but read what this same God allegedly says elsewhere speaking to Abraham:
Genesis 22:2: Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."
Deuteronomy 12:31: You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.
Deuteronomy 18:9-12: When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire...Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.
The above scriptures are allegedly from the mind of God, but read what this same God allegedly says elsewhere speaking to Abraham:
Genesis 22:2: Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."
Huh???
I'm not sure you should be reading the bible. It seems to confuse you as much as it does me.
It was confusing to Abraham, too. God made a covenant with Abraham that his descendants would outnumber the grains of sand and the stars in the sky. By being asked to sacrifice his son Isaac, this would put an end to that covenant and God doesn't do that.
But, God never intended for Abraham to sacrifice his son. It was an examination, a test, of Abraham's heart to see if he loved God more than the son he longed for for many, many decades. An idol is anything in our life that comes before God's place in our lives. To many people TV has become an idol because they spend hours in front of it and very little, if any, time with God.
So, God tested Abraham. When Abraham was about to go through with it, God stopped him and provided a ram for the sacrifice instead.
The wonderful thing about this is that it foreshadows what would happen later in the New Testament. Where Abraham left off, God continued, by sacrificing His own Son, Jesus (the lamb of God), for the sins of the world. But this time, the sacrifice was completed.
How about asking Abraham to, say, walk to Siberia naked as a test of faith? Why request something you explicitly forbade elsewhere? Ok, I know some will say, well the law of Moses where it is prohibited was not yet given, but one would have to believe that judging from the biblical content, human sacrifice was forbidden before, during and after Moses as it would involve murder.
In my opinion, there were far more other "tests" God could have used. Look at Job. Allow Issac to be killed, his fortune to evaporate and/or Sarai to run off with Abimilech or something. Why "tempt" Abraham with something you loathe and then we are told he tempts no one. What if Abe never heard voices to stop?
Simple living, I hear your point, but c'mon, doesn't it sound a little too far fetched? If you or I saw our neighbor doing tat with his only son, born to him after year of being told he and his wife could not have a child and that he is doing it because he heard God's voice, would you think he was sane? Now, if you are sitting with your children and trying to teach them a lesson on loyalty an faithfulness and you whipped up a story to prove it and started with "Once upon a time," then that might be be more plausible because in the end they should know that it is all a story of fantasy designed to teach a lesson.
On another note, I wonder who heard all of this to record it?
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How about asking Abraham to say, walk to Siberia naked as a test of faith? Why request something you explicitly forbade elsewhere? Ok, I know some will say, well the law of Moses where it is prohibited was not yet given, but one would have to believe that judging from the biblical content, human sacrifice was forbidden before, during and after Moses as it would involve murder.
yyd, please show me where the human sacrifice occurred? I'm confused.
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In my opinion, there were far more other "tests" God could have used. Look at Job. Allow Issac to be killed, his fortune to evaporate and/or Sarai to run off with Abimilech or something. Why "tempt" Abraham with something you loathe and then we are told he tempts no one. What if Abe never heard voices to stop?
You realize this paragraph above basically says, "If I were God, this is how I would have done it." Well, you're not, so....... Where did God tempt Abraham? Seriously, my friend, I don't understand. You seem to be struggling with something that would make no sense IF God would have allowed Abraham to sacrifice Issac. But He didn't.
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Simple living, I hear your point, but c'mon, doesn't it sound a little too far fetched? If you or I saw our neighbor doing tat with his only son, born to him after year of being told he and his wife could not have a child and that he is doing it because he heard God's voice, would you think he was sane? Now, if you are sitting with your children and trying to teach them a lesson on loyalty an faithfulness and you whipped up a story to prove it and started with "Once upon a time," then that might be be more plausible because in the end they should know that it is all a story of fantasy designed to teach a lesson.
What we see and think is sane today has no bearing on what's contained in the Bible. We needed all the biblical stories and characters to teach us something about Christ, our lives, our positions in the Kingdom, and the role and sovereignty of God. I'm not sure we'd think some guy riding through the streets on horseback shouting 'The British Are Coming!' would be sane either. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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On another note, I wonder who heard all of this to record it?
You know my answer for this. It was revealed to whom God appointed.
yyd, please show me where the human sacrifice occurred? I'm confused.
We don't read any such thing. My point is, why tempt/test with something that is/was forbidden? In fact, a prohibition you (God) ordered?
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You realize this paragraph above basically says, "If I were God, this is how I would have done it." Well, you're not, so....... Where did God tempt Abraham? Seriously, my friend, I don't understand. You seem to be struggling with something that would make no sense IF God would have allowed Abraham to sacrifice Issac. But He didn't.
Well it appears I would have done a better job then because I would not have resorted to requesting such a barbaric act to prove a point. The request would be equivalent to me teaching my son that murder is wrong but to prove his loyalty to me, ask him to stand on my roof, aim a gun at his best friend ad ask him to kill him.
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What we see and think is sane today has no bearing on what's contained in the Bible.
The reverse is true, however.
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I'm not sure we'd think some guy riding through the streets on horseback shouting 'The British Are Coming!' would be sane either. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Ah...but the people were at least aware that their rebellion would have brought the British to the colonial shores. I'm sure their invasion was not a surprise so hearing Paul Revere shout that was taken VERY seriously.
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You know my answer for this. It was revealed to whom God appointed.
Or the story is a story to teach an object lesson. Nothing more, nothing less.
You're intentionally failing to see the point, right?
No, you're failing at making one.
You're saying that God shouldn't have told Abraham to kill Issac and then later say you shouldn't sacrifice your children.
Well, Abraham didn't sacrifice Issac, as you've stated.
So the only point I've seen thus far is:
If I were God, this would be a better way to do this.
Well, good luck with that!
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