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Old 06-30-2008, 06:29 PM
 
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And do you believe that? That our sole purpose here on earth is to pray to and praise the Lord?? Is God that simple? I don't think so... we are here to learn! Tolerance..acceptance..and ultimately - the meaning of "Unconditional Love" for that is the true meaning of God!
I believe we are here to learn to love everyone as Christ loves us in addition to praying and praising God. However, I also believe that God has his laws and there are certain things that are not acceptable to Him, however, we can still love that person and pray for them. I could go on and on, but will just keep it short.

 
Old 06-30-2008, 06:31 PM
 
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Just as those who claim homosexuality is a sin. See? It works both ways.
Those who claim it is not a sin do so by insinuation, by wildly deranged logic and by ignoring context. Its not the same thing, but then arguing this with someone whose obvious intent is much like those who attempt to defame the word for their personal motives is pointless. You don't answer to the scripture, it is obvious otherwise you would deal with it.
 
Old 06-30-2008, 06:32 PM
 
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I'll answer this even though I'm not a homophobe, homosexual intolerant, homosexual condemning so-called Christian. I haven't seen Brokeback mountain because I don't like Cowboy movies. But I did see "If These Walls Could Talk 2" and I loved it. I've never claimed to speak for God or Jesus, but I have read the bible and according to the bible, this type of love - while it may be beautiful to those involved in it - is a sin.
It's not a "cowboy movie" and i do not believe that is why you have not seen it.
It's a beautiful love story.
I'm not "involved" with it in the sense that i am not a homosexual.
I do however recognize soulfulness, love, beauty, suffering and the pain of living in a world that is often so lacking in those redemptive qualities which so very often is due to the fact that people misuse religion.
The bible has been mistranslated, misinterpreted, used and misused for centuries. It's not "the word of God" ... it's your word of God.
To say you do not condemn homosexuality on the one hand and to call it a sin 'cause the bible says so on the other hand is hypocritical. You hide behind the bible and rationalize your judgment and intolerance with it.
It's irresponsible and spiritually lazy.
If Jesus came to you and told you that homosexuality was not a sin, i imagine the you'd have a mighty difficult time getting over your issues with it.
 
Old 06-30-2008, 06:33 PM
 
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And do you believe that? That our sole purpose here on earth is to pray to and praise the Lord?? Is God that simple? I don't think so... we are here to learn! Tolerance..acceptance..and ultimately - the meaning of "Unconditional Love" for that is the true meaning of God!
Tolerance, acceptance? Please show me where it explains how we should tolerate and accept sin.
 
Old 06-30-2008, 06:35 PM
 
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Tolerance, acceptance? Please show me where it explains how we should tolerate and accept sin.
Oh, I'm sure you can come up with something, Nomander. You're an expert at that.

By the way, how does that lobster taste?
 
Old 06-30-2008, 06:36 PM
 
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It's not a "cowboy movie" and i do not believe that is why you have not seen it.
It's a beautiful love story.
I'm not "involved" with it in the sense that i am not a homosexual.
I do however recognize soulfulness, love, beauty, suffering and the pain of living in a world that is often so lacking in those redemptive qualities which so very often is due to the fact that people misuse religion.
The bible has been mistranslated, misinterpreted, used and misused for centuries. It's not "the word of God" ... it's your word of God.
To say you do not condemn homosexuality on the one hand and to call it a sin 'cause the bible says so on the other hand is hypocritical. You hide behind the bible and rationalize your judgment and intolerance with it.
It's irresponsible and spiritually lazy.
If Jesus came to you and told you that homosexuality was not a sin, i imagine the you'd have a mighty difficult time getting over your issues with it.
then when the time comes, if what you claim is right, I will burn in hell for it. And if you are wrong you will. Think about it and think hard what you believe in. You bet your life on it, and I bet my life on what I have read and believe. In the end, none of this matters, none of the "subjective" excuses on the issue will matter. All of us will lay our sins at the feet of the lord. I am not worried in the slightest, are you?
 
Old 06-30-2008, 06:37 PM
 
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I believe we are here to learn to love everyone as Christ loves us in addition to praying and praising God. However, I also believe that God has his laws and there are certain things that are not acceptable to Him, however, we can still love that person and pray for them. I could go on and on, but will just keep it short.
I couldn't agree more but..and there's always a but : )) I feel most misinterpret God's law when it comes to homosexuals. Two consenting adults who love eachother..how could that be a sin when there's love? But like I said previously...I'll never convince you and you'll never convince me so lets just agree to disagree - we'll both know the truth one day : )
 
Old 06-30-2008, 06:42 PM
 
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I couldn't agree more but..and there's always a but : )) I feel most misinterpret God's law when it comes to homosexuals. Two consenting adults who love eachother..how could that be a sin when there's love? But like I said previously...I'll never convince you and you'll never convince me so lets just agree to disagree - we'll both know the truth one day : )
OK. We will agree to disagree.
 
Old 06-30-2008, 06:43 PM
 
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I couldn't agree more but..and there's always a but : )) I feel most misinterpret God's law when it comes to homosexuals. Two consenting adults who love eachother..how could that be a sin when there's love? But like I said previously...I'll never convince you and you'll never convince me so lets just agree to disagree - we'll both know the truth one day : )
This is the most complete description of Love that i know of is written below.

Where is sexual contact mentioned in this?

No one disagrees with people loving eachother, its the acts of physical expression and emotional lust that make homosexuality what it is.

1Cr 13:4 Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,


1Cr 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;


1Cr 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;


1Cr 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.


1Cr 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away.


1Cr 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.


1Cr 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.


1Cr 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.


1Cr 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.


1Cr 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity.
 
Old 06-30-2008, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Stewartsville, NJ
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This is the most complete description of Love that i know of is written below.

Where is sexual contact mentioned in this?

No one disagrees with people loving eachother, its the acts of physical expression and emotional lust that make homosexuality what it is.

1Cr 13:4 Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,


1Cr 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;


1Cr 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;


1Cr 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.


1Cr 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away.


1Cr 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.


1Cr 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.


1Cr 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.


1Cr 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.


1Cr 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity.
Oh I see..the old "love the homosexual, hate the homosexual act"... almost as good as Clinton's "don't ask, don't tell" solution : ) Emotional Lust!!!! LOL..sorry - this is truly getting silly my dear! I just saw you in the Athiest Thread - the one about Gays... I'm starting to suspect that you, at one time... either dabbled or are having issues struggling with "Emotional Lust" for another woman???? My opinion - God cares more about what you do with your soul than he does with what you do with your body! I have no interest in what others do in their bedroom..why is ti that religious folks feel the need to peek into mine?
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