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But for some reason we still continue to try to explain those truths to you. Even though you demonstrate time and again that you're unwilling to listen.
A person can come up with 1000 other illogical alternatives (Gods, Karmas, Nihilos, Chaos, etc.), so your argument from ignorance of logical alternatives is moot. There are many equal alternatives to the "Sentient Singular Ultimate Creator" hypothesis. Literally, replace any of those words and you have yourself an alternative. It won't purport immortality and future gain for you unless you define it as such. It won't match with someone's subjective feelings unless they make it match.
We're not supposed to talk science here but you know about Hawking's virtual particles, right? They pop in and out of existence at a quantum level. They take no energy to form and leave no energy behind. You know about the speed of light - the speed at which time stands still.
So, if, hypothetically, a string of virtual particles were to simultaneously form such that the they cancelled each other, leaving the two end particle and antiparticle still existing, those particles would attempt to cancel out but they are separated by time and by the time they come together, they would have undergone a phase shift and thus continue to exist, as a real particle, made out of time you might say.
So although the sum of their energy is zero, they exist as a particle pair, by virtue of time shift. Something created out of nothing but still equal to nothing. They exist on borrowed time, so to speak.
That's just a random idea of how something could have come from nothing.
But for some reason we still continue to try to explain those truths to you. Even though you demonstrate time and again that you're unwilling to listen.
Aah but you see, what seems like truths to you doesn't actually make any sense to us. To us you are missing the truth. It doesn't help your cause when you invoke creation, Adam and Eve and Noah's flood.
But for some reason we still continue to try to explain those truths to you. Even though you demonstrate time and again that you're unwilling to listen.
We are willing to listen; the problem is that you are unwilling to listen to the rebuttals. The apologist tries this argument or that; science, ethics, supposed benefits of religion, now or in the past, pasting atheists with accusations, quoting scripture.
None of it works, and you tell yourself we don't Listen, by which you mean we do not listen with Faith. Without that, the arguments are not good enough.
We're not supposed to talk science here but you know about Hawking's virtual particles, right? They pop in and out of existence at a quantum level. They take no energy to form and leave no energy behind. You know about the speed of light - the speed at which time stands still.
So, if, hypothetically, a string of virtual particles were to simultaneously form such that the they cancelled each other, leaving the two end particle and antiparticle still existing, those particles would attempt to cancel out but they are separated by time and by the time they come together, they would have undergone a phase shift and thus continue to exist, as a real particle, made out of time you might say.
So although the sum of their energy is zero, they exist as a particle pair, by virtue of time shift. Something created out of nothing but still equal to nothing. They exist on borrowed time, so to speak.
That's just a random idea of how something could have come from nothing.
Yes an "idea" with no real support or evidence that it has occurred in anyway but by direction. This is the problem that science has, nothing can be proven to occur without human intervention, testing, etc. It ALWAYS requires outside interference and never happiness on its own except by ... claims it did.
Every test, every change that has been made in any life form has required outside intelligence. Creation in effect. No test has ever shown a change from one kind to another, just changes in the same kind of life and .... when the changes go far enough they come to a dead end eliminating any ability to become something else. In other words no water dwelling fish can ever become a full time land animal.
Aah but you see, what seems like truths to you doesn't actually make any sense to us. To us you are missing the truth. It doesn't help your cause when you invoke creation, Adam and Eve and Noah's flood.
When they are invoked they show the failure of your view. Prove Adam and Eve did not exist? Prove the earth was not formed by direction? yes these are negatives, but they are the negatives you claim so prove them or accept your position is not provable.
We are willing to listen; the problem is that you are unwilling to listen to the rebuttals. The apologist tries this argument or that; science, ethics, supposed benefits of religion, now or in the past, pasting atheists with accusations, quoting scripture.
None of it works, and you tell yourself we don't Listen, by which you mean we do not listen with Faith. Without that, the arguments are not good enough.
I'm just talking philosophy. I haven't quoted Scripture to you to try to prove my point. I wouldn't do that because I realize atheists don't believe Scripture.
I'm pointing out that the only logical explanation that we have for the existence of the universe is that it was caused/created. I'm not suggesting that such evidence points to the Christian God as the one whom did it, nor am I suggesting that you should become a Baptist based on observing the night sky. I'm merely saying that unless you can give me a logical, reasonable solution to how the universe exists, the next most logical explanation is that it was created.
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