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As to your other demands, well , God asks you to tell these things -if you are so all knowing;
Job 38 1: And Jehovah answereth Job out of the whirlwind, and saith: -- 2: Who [is] this -- darkening counsel, By words without knowledge? 3: Gird, I pray thee, as a man, thy loins, And I ask thee, and cause thou Me to know. 4: Where wast thou when I founded earth? Declare, if thou hast known understanding. 5: Who placed its measures -- if thou knowest? Or who hath stretched out upon it a line? 6: On what have its sockets been sunk? Or who hath cast its corner-stone? 7: In the singing together of stars of morning, And all sons of God shout for joy, 8: And He shutteth up with doors the sea, In its coming forth, from the womb it goeth out. 9: In My making a cloud its clothing, And thick darkness its swaddling band, 10: And I measure over it My statute, And place bar and doors, 11: And say, 'Hitherto come thou, and add not, And a command is placed On the pride of thy billows.' 12: Hast thou commanded morning since thy days? Causest thou the dawn to know its place? 13: To take hold on the skirts of the earth, And the wicked are shaken out of it, 14: It turneth itself as clay of a seal And they station themselves as clothed. 15: And withheld from the wicked is their light, And the arm lifted up is broken. 16: Hast thou come in to springs of the sea? And in searching the deep Hast thou walked up and down? 17: Revealed to thee were the gates of death? And the gates of death-shade dost thou see? 18: Thou hast understanding, Even unto the broad places of earth! Declare -- if thou hast known it all. 19: Where [is] this -- the way light dwelleth? And darkness, where [is] this -- its place? 20: That thou dost take it unto its boundary, And that thou dost understand The paths of its house. 21: Thou hast known -- for then thou art born And the number of thy days [are] many! 22: Hast thou come in unto the treasure of snow? Yea, the treasures of hail dost thou see? 23: That I have kept back for a time of distress, For a day of conflict and battle. 24: Where [is] this, the way light is apportioned? It scattereth an east wind over the earth. 25: Who hath divided for the flood a conduit? And a way for the lightning of the voices? 26: To cause [it] to rain on a land -- no man, A wilderness -- no man in it. 27: To satisfy a desolate and waste place, And to cause to shoot up The produce of the tender grass? 28: Hath the rain a father? Or who hath begotten the drops of dew? 29: From whose belly came forth the ice? And the hoar-frost of the heavens, Who hath begotten it? 30: As a stone waters are hidden, And the face of the deep is captured. 31: Dost thou bind sweet influences of Kimah? Or the attractions of Kesil dost thou open? 32: Dost thou bring out Mazzaroth in its season? And Aysh for her sons dost thou comfort? 33: Hast thou known the statutes of heaven? Or dost thou appoint Its dominion in the earth? 34: Dost thou lift up to the cloud thy voice, And abundance of water doth cover thee? 35: Dost thou send out lightnings, and they go And say unto thee, 'Behold us?' 36: Who hath put in the inward parts wisdom? Or who hath given To the covered part understanding? 37: Who doth number the clouds by wisdom? And the bottles of the heavens, Who doth cause to lie down, 38: In the hardening of dust into hardness, And clods cleave together? 39: Dost thou hunt for a lion prey? And the desire of young lions fulfil? 40: When they bow down in dens -- Abide in a thicket for a covert? 41: Who doth prepare for a raven his provision, When his young ones cry unto God? They wander without food.
Can you please (I'm asking nicely, ck2...) tell me how many animals Noah had to have on the Ark, given that no subsequent Evolvin' is allowed, that process being a completefantasy according to you...
Now remember, you have to obey the known and documented facts & requirements for successful species re-introductions that wildlife specialists have discovered over literally a few hundred years. As in: just two [one male, one female] of anything, turned loose on it's own, unmanaged or protected in the wilderness, won't make it. Takes about 50 to 100 pairs, minimum. Like the California Condor, which was completely removed from the wilderness when it's numbers dropped below 75, and it's extinction was thus almost guaranteed due to that low number.... They re-intro'd it with about 100 birds, and then ensured it remained unmolested. Years later, it had slowly begun to reestablish itself. But then again, it had food sources, unlike the post-flood world.
Hmmmm... Hmmmmm. HHHhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
(This all assumes that the habitat they inherit is not salt-soaked and devoid of ANY vegetation or fresh water initially...)
Remember now, we've counted over 30+M species (as in distinct types, incapable of cross-breeding). A minimum of one male & one female would require how many again? ( I know, not everything, bacteria for instance, require a mating pair, but do you have any idea how many bacteria there are? Noah didn't even know about bacteria!)
Biologists have conservatively estimated that as of 2008 we've only documented about 10 - 15% of the actual totals.... but then, who's counting, huh?
Also, please explain the habitat maintenance requirements for all those different types. You know, differing aqueous salinities, temperatures, humidities, photo-periods [aka day lengths], etc. that ol' Noah had to provide?
Just curious; you possibly being an accredited wildlife biologist like me, I'm looking forward to your thoughtful and sensible answers.
Last edited by rifleman; 09-27-2009 at 04:44 PM..
Reason: typoz, common sense.
Why, from the FSM, a far more likeable fellow, less intent on retribution and holy terror that YOUR unsupportable fairy tale guy.
BTW, please explain, in detail, "infinity", Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, digital sound recording, sub-atomic particle physics, and my cat's desire to rub against my leg.
Betcha can't! Ergo a Gawd? Hardly. That's just classed as a "Belief of Convenience" and the purposeful denial of higher learning and understanding.
Which, apparently, you embrace, wholeheartedly. (Even to the point of denying things that have been proved some years ago now. Sad, huh?)
Nice use of the Flying Spaghetti Monster I think He'd approve.
Can you please (I'm asking nicely, ck2...) tell me how many animals Noah had to have on the Ark
One pair of each created kind called "unclean" [the earth cleaners]; and seven pair of each kind of clean animals [acceptable for food for man and for sacrifices].
God sets the kinds by natural boundaries of being able to breed naturally and produce fertile offspring.
You don't even know those boundaries yourself, because you call the same kinds as different kinds, in confusion, like the finches which were finches and nothing more than finches, which so confounded the reprobate Darwin.
Noah didn't even have to worry about collecting the pairs from anywhere around the globe, because the LORD God [YHWH Elohym] sent the animals to Noah and his sons, at the Ark's door, and YHWH Elohym gave Noah one test for which animals to take on board by pairs. If they bowed to him and his sons, then they got to go on board by pairs.
Jasher 6 Book of Jasher 6
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At that time, after the death of Methuselah, the Lord said to Noah, Go thou with thy household into the ark; behold I will gather to thee all the animals of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and they shall all come and surround the ark.
And thou shalt go and seat thyself by the doors of the ark, and all the beasts, the animals, and the fowls, shall assemble and place themselves before thee, and such of them as shall come and crouch before thee, shalt thou take and deliver into the hands of thy sons, who shall bring them to the ark, and all that will stand before thee thou shalt leave.
And the Lord brought this about on the next day, and animals, beasts and fowls came in great multitudes and surrounded the ark.
And Noah went and seated himself by the door of the ark, and of all flesh that crouched before him, he brought into the ark, and all that stood before him he left upon earth.
And a lioness came, with her two whelps, male and female, and the three crouched before Noah, and the two whelps rose up against the lioness and smote her, and made her flee from her place, and she went away, and they returned to their places, and crouched upon the earth before Noah.
And the lioness ran away, and stood in the place of the lions.
And Noah saw this, and wondered greatly, and he rose and took the two whelps, and brought them into the ark.
And Noah brought into the ark from all living creatures that were upon earth, so that there was none left but which Noah brought into the ark.
Two and two came to Noah into the ark, but from the clean animals, and clean fowls, he brought seven couples, as God had commanded him.
And all the animals, and beasts, and fowls, were still there, and they surrounded the ark at every place, and the rain had not descended till seven days after.
And on that day, the Lord caused the whole earth to shake, and the sun darkened, and the foundations of the world raged, and the whole earth was moved violently, and the lightning flashed, and the thunder roared, and all the fountains in the earth were broken up, such as was not known to the inhabitants before; and God did this mighty act, in order to terrify the sons of men, that there might be no more evil upon earth.
And still the sons of men would not return from their evil ways, and they increased the anger of the Lord at that time, and did not even direct their hearts to all this.
And at the end of seven days, in the six hundredth year of the life of Noah, the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
And all the fountains of the deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened, and the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
And Noah and his household, and all the living creatures that were with him, came into the ark on account of the waters of the flood, and the Lord shut him in.
And all the sons of men that were left upon the earth, became exhausted through evil on account of the rain, for the waters were coming more violently upon the earth, and the animals and beasts were still surrounding the ark.
And the sons of men assembled together, about seven hundred thousand men and women, and they came unto Noah to the ark.
And they called to Noah, saying, Open for us that we may come to thee in the ark--and wherefore shall we die?
And Noah, with a loud voice, answered them from the ark, saying, Have you not all rebelled against the Lord, and said that he does not exist? and therefore the Lord brought upon you this evil, to destroy and cut you off from the face of the earth.
Is not this the thing that I spoke to you of one hundred and twenty years back, and you would not hearken to the voice of the Lord, and now do you desire to live upon earth?
And they said to Noah, We are ready to return to the Lord; only open for us that we may live and not die.
And Noah answered them, saying, Behold now that you see the trouble of your souls, you wish to return to the Lord; why did you not return during these hundred and twenty years, which the Lord granted you as the determined period?
But now you come and tell me this on account of the troubles of your souls, now also the Lord will not listen to you, neither will he give ear to you on this day, so that you will not now succeed in your wishes.
And the sons of men approached in order to break into the ark, to come in on account of the rain, for they could not bear the rain upon them.
And the Lord sent all the beasts and animals that stood round the ark. And the beasts overpowered them and drove them from that place, and every man went his way and they again scattered themselves upon the face of the earth.
Can you please (I'm asking nicely, ck2...) tell me how many animals Noah had to have on the Ark, given that no subsequent Evolvin' is allowed, that process being a completefantasy according to you...
Now remember, you have to obey the known and documented facts & requirements for successful species re-introductions that wildlife specialists have discovered over literally a few hundred years. As in: just two [one male, one female] of anything, turned loose on it's own, unmanaged or protected in the wilderness, won't make it. Takes about 50 to 100 pairs, minimum. Like the California Condor, which was completely removed from the wilderness when it's numbers dropped below 75, and it's extinction was thus almost guaranteed due to that low number.... They re-intro'd it with about 100 birds, and then ensured it remained unmolested. Years later, it had slowly begun to reestablish itself. But then again, it had food sources, unlike the post-flood world.
Hmmmm... Hmmmmm. HHHhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
(This all assumes that the habitat they inherit is not salt-soaked and devoid of ANY vegetation or fresh water initially...)
Remember now, we've counted over 30+M species (as in distinct types, incapable of cross-breeding). A minimum of one male & one female would require how many again? ( I know, not everything, bacteria for instance, require a mating pair, but do you have any idea how many bacteria there are? Noah didn't even know about bacteria!)
Biologists have conservatively estimated that as of 2008 we've only documented about 10 - 15% of the actual totals.... but then, who's counting, huh?
Also, please explain the habitat maintenance requirements for all those different types. You know, differing aqueous salinities, temperatures, humidities, photo-periods [aka day lengths], etc. that ol' Noah had to provide?
Just curious; you possibly being an accredited wildlife biologist like me, I'm looking forward to your thoughtful and sensible answers.
He had as many as he needed. The Bible doesn't give a number.
I'm still waiting on my answer as to who made that "mysterioussubstance" everything was suppose have popped out from?
He had as many as he needed. The Bible doesn't give a number.
I'm still waiting on my answer as to who made that "mysterioussubstance" everything was suppose have popped out from?
Who made god? I asked that earlier, which you have failed to answer.
Or was your god "something from nothing".
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Answeer the question if you dare....
