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I seriously cant believe this thread is still going. LOL
Well now, Nea, to your excellent point, this morning we see again the continuous re-posting of the same tired stuff, over and over, in the assumptive hope that this is in some way convincing...
Perhaps more convincing would be for us logical thinkers to abandon this thread en-masse, leaving an eerie echoing silence, occasionally re-filled with re-re-re-repeated silly phrases and re-quotes, long ago thoroughly debunked.
Well now, Nea, to your excellent point, this morning we see again the continuous re-posting of the same tired stuff, over and over, in the assumptive hope that this is in some way convincing...
Perhaps more convincing would be for us logical thinkers to abandon this thread en-masse, leaving an eerie echoing silence, occasionally re-filled with re-re-re-repeated silly phrases and re-quotes, long ago thoroughly debunked.
Yep, same ole spewing of nonsense. It is like they have a switch that prevents them from reading logical posts and a repeat button that is stuck.
Oh come on, that link doesn't prove anything. It belongs with the rest of the slop left behind by all the animals on the Ark.
The problem with the "petrified wooden structure that is 30 feet long, and about 7 or 8 feet wide" you're so fond of quoting is that it's nothing more than what someone has claimed. Where's the evidence? Where are all the photos of it?
Of course, when you check this link out, you'll only find completely man-made graphics representations with gin-clear water, no actual videos of an underwater city. Noting. NADA.Zip.
Now, there is one very fuzzy, muddy silt-laden picture of the smooth edge of a single rock. Good enough for some, I suppose, but as PROOF of a completely submerged civilization? How so?
It is proof of very wishful thinking, I'll grant you that. Tom apparently just can't grasp why a photo of such tiny bits of muddy, silty evidence isn'tt accepted by us as complete and ultimate proof of Noah's flood. Funny boy!
Then, we also know about tectonics shift and submergence of land masses, such as what once bridged Russia and Alaska. This is proof of what again? That the ice age tied up large quantities of water at one time, people may have built on lowlands and now those are flooded? OK. That's reasonable and the ice-age shoreline, and post ice-age version, are both easily calculated and mapped. It's already been done.
But that it was once submerged on a particular date by a particular event? Nope.
NEXT, we also have those blblical scripture time-lines for the total recession of the flood waters, which means back down to normal levels, yes?
"But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded. Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky. The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down, and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. Genesis 8"
So.... let's see. It's all totally receded after 150 days (5 months), and then after that, 2 months later, (17th day of the 7th month...) when the waters had all receded, they magically beached the Ark back up at the 14,000 foot level? Huh? Why didn't it follow the subsidence down to a lower elevation first? Given God's guiding hand and all...
Gah-Lee, Andy, this stuff is so stupid it stuns me. Who can believe all this nonsense, all together, all at once?
That is the best answer you can come up with as that is pretty lame no offense but very lame.
So am I a few decimal points off in the fact this fable is about your obviously proven (if you say the bible is accurate, it is your book that proves it) killed 99.999999% +/- .0001% of EVERY LIVING CREATURE, PLANT, AND BEING ON THE PLANET?
And your rebuttal is to call me lame. Go worship the mass murder this week-end and while on your knees, think "I'm begging a mass murder for his blessing" Dude, that is sick, sick, sick, and in mentally ill.
So do you think a petrified wooden structure that is 30 feet long, and about 7 or 8 feet wide, is just a small piece of wood rifleman?
The manmade evidence off of Japan, has been confirmed by Japanese scientist. So you are wrong to suggest it was only confirmed in my own mind. Pressing the ignore button again rifleman? They only found some square rocks? More denial rifleman?
I have never tried to make an arguement for Atlantis, so your wasting your time on that.
The flood timeline places it right during the constrution of the pyramids. ACCORDING TO WHO?
Robert Schoch, a geologist at the University of Boston who has dived at Yonaguni many times, thinks the formations are mostly natural. They are made of bedrock, rather than built with separate blocks, and Schoch points out that the rock is sedimentary, with horizontal layers that break along parallel lines as they erode. The region's tectonic activity also splits the rock along vertical fault lines. So the strong currents that sweep the area would erode rock along these lines, carving out platforms and steps, he says. "You get a regular blocky structure quite naturally."
By the way, Louis Whitley Strieber is an American writer best known for his horror novels The Wolfen and The Hunger and for Communion, a non-fiction account of his perceived experiences with non-human entities.
You do seem to find the most incredible (as in not credible) sources.
So rifleman, are you now going to accuse the Japanese Scientist of lying?
Nope. Here's what I'm going to do:
1) So what that there might be an ancient submerged pyramid there? Does that prove, and I mean PROVE, anything to you as regards your impossible Noah's global flood? Could it POSSIBLY have been submerged by any other possible means, Tom? No you say? No other possible way at all?
Also, the doctor you quote way back in 1999 recently (2008) said this: "Robert Schoch, a geologist at the University of Boston who has dived at Yonaguni many times, thinks the formations are mostly natural."
2) this, from the very site you pointed me to, and I quote:
Quote:
"The following pages are intended to provide news of recent developments in various studies of the mysterious pyramid structure that was discovered in 1985 by dive tour operator Kihachiro Aratake, off the coast of the island of Yonaguni-jima, Japan.
Since 1999, when the Morien Institute first set up some webpages detailing the original Yonaguni Expedition of Dr Robert M. Schoch we have been inundated with inquiries from all parts of the world.
Those initial pages contained only the opinions of Dr Schoch, and were
liberally illustrated with underwater photographs taken by Dr Schoch during that 1999 expedition.
*********Others who have dived at Yonaguni have different opinions of the structure*********
So.. A dive done originally 24 years ago, and with one follow-up 10 years later by someone else who after subsequent dives concluded the formations were mostly natural, and with absolutely no subsequent follow-up that I could find anywhere on the 'net. Differing opinions of the structure. One scientist, with no follow-up is all it takes?
But even if it is a pyramid, it dates back to about 12,000 years ago, which doesn't quite ring with your other YEC timeline, but OK; for now let's ignore that part. As well, a simple pyramid does not mean your requisite "advanced civilization", BTW. Sheesh!
This is what you call absolute proof of WHAT again?
Well thanks for that. (you know, I've suggested to you previously, Tom, that you should follow up with some minimal research on your own links, especially those that are over 5 years old. In this case, the info you provided was from a non-credible popularist site, dated 1999. That's sorta getting old, old buddy! {This continues to be too easy!})
Again: All this has been previously asked and answered. And all debunked. RESULT:
Robert Schoch, a geologist at the University of Boston who has dived at Yonaguni many times, thinks the formations are mostly natural. They are made of bedrock, rather than built with separate blocks, and Schoch points out that the rock is sedimentary, with horizontal layers that break along parallel lines as they erode. The region's tectonic activity also splits the rock along vertical fault lines. So the strong currents that sweep the area would erode rock along these lines, carving out platforms and steps, he says. "You get a regular blocky structure quite naturally."
By the way, Louis Whitley Strieber is an American writer best known for his horror novels The Wolfen and The Hunger and for Communion, a non-fiction account of his perceived experiences with non-human entities.
You do seem to find the most incredible (as in not credible) sources.
No, actually they do say that the Yonaguni Pyramid is manmade sanspeur. And how do we get from they, being Japanese scientists, to Robert Schoch?
The Japnese Scientists have spent much more time looking at these underwater structures, than Schoch. And it is these Japanese scientists who are telling us that they have discovered manmade marks carved on the stone, and the tools used to make the structures. And there are numerous other sources for this story, so you can't use that arguement to hide behind anymore. And it is also known, that there are at least eight sites below the surface, and some of them are in 300 feet of water.
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