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If the apostles were alive today, would I change my religion? No, because I would think they were false teachers. For one thing the apostles were given special gifts that were supposed to die with them, so if someone started doing those things I would think they were very good illusionists, like David Copperfield. Now the church I used to attend would probably worship Paul, because sometimes I thought some of them did.
I wish that we had the ability to express our beliefs and have someone say, "that's great. I don't agree, but that's ok. I believe.....". That would be so much nicer. I'm interested in knowing what they believe, I really don't have to have them agree with me. So my point is this, why ask someone what they believe if all you're going to do is fight with them about it?
If the apostles were alive today, would I change my religion? No, because I would think they were false teachers. For one thing the apostles were given special gifts that were supposed to die with them, so if someone started doing those things I would think they were very good illusionists, like David Copperfield. Now the church I used to attend would probably worship Paul, because sometimes I thought some of them did.
no the question was
if they were alive today what would they not like about your religion?
[quote=Alpha8207;700984]I'm not going to comment on the fighting. When I see that building I try and quietly bow out...and the 'killing in His name' stuff...don't think I've been personally involved in that either.
But now I will comment on this-
For me, and for the record, I'm a Baptist, I think the apostles would come in and look at our doctrine and theology that isn't central to the gospel one by one and 'as if they were paper, rip them out and say "What's what got to do with Jesus? What's that got to do with the gospel?" and basically trash it....
I think they'd take huge checking accounts churches have and write one big check to a charity and say "There, now you have to have faith in God again, not the reserves you've built up."
See, here's the thing that kills me:
Spiritually, my sins crucified Jesus.
Naturally, organized religion did it.
I'm not opposed to organized religion, I'm just opposed to what we've made it. And the only way to change it is one person at a time. We've got to get out of our boxes, realize that while God is in our church buildings, our commission is not. The Bible says 'Go!' not 'Come'. We're supposed to 'Do', not talk about 'doing'.
Anyway, I think the apostles probably would chain the doors on a good 70-80% of our churches.....but what do I know...that's just my opinion.
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I'd agree - that's awesome (I'm not Baptist, either) I highlighted part of your quote - yep, and ouch! so True.
I'd like to add, that in my church, they'd probably not like some of the super-spirituality going on -you know, head so high up in outter space that they're not of earthly value (- loosely translated)
Yep, Alpha, you hit the nail on the head. We should all log-off, right now.
no the question was
if they were alive today what would they not like about your religion?
Maybe they wouldn't like the fact some people in my religion turn their back on me because I don't attend that church anymore, because there is a child pervert in the back pew who spends his time at Kmart bathroom watching little boys while he..you know. Maybe they would admonish me for not getting up in front of the congregation with the other women and thanking the men for ALLOWING us to attend a womens retreat...Maybe they would admonish me for not OBEYING my husband..Maybe I had best go get a cup of coffee and take time out..
Maybe they wouldn't like the fact some people in my religion turn their back on me because I don't attend that church anymore, because there is a child pervert in the back pew who spends his time at Kmart bathroom watching little boys while he..you know. Maybe they would admonish me for not getting up in front of the congregation with the other women and thanking the men for ALLOWING us to attend a womens retreat...Maybe they would admonish me for not OBEYING my husband..Maybe I had best go get a cup of coffee and take time out..
geez sweetie I would pick a new church too
I don't think they would admonish you for anything that you have listed here
I think they would be too busy knocking some sense into the perv in the back row to worry about whether you said thank you to the guys
Maybe they wouldn't like the fact some people in my religion turn their back on me because I don't attend that church anymore, because there is a child pervert in the back pew who spends his time at Kmart bathroom watching little boys while he..you know. Maybe they would admonish me for not getting up in front of the congregation with the other women and thanking the men for ALLOWING us to attend a womens retreat...Maybe they would admonish me for not OBEYING my husband..Maybe I had best go get a cup of coffee and take time out..
I say we start a new church called the Church of the Tired, Beaten, Down-trodden, and Disillusioned. All welcome. Bring your baggage but leave your pride, arrogance, legalism, and license at the door.
I say we start a new church called the Church of the Tired, Beaten, Down-trodden, and Disillusioned. All welcome. Bring your baggage but leave your pride, arrogance, legalism, and license at the door.
David danced....actually...I'm pretty sure he danced in his underwear and then said "I'll become even more undignified that this!"(great song by the way)
So YES!! Absolutely!
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That was great...
(I'm not Baptist, either) I highlighted part of your quote - yep, and ouch! so True.
