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Old 03-05-2008, 06:02 AM
 
Location: UK
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I totally agree MontanaGuy, and i think that religion should have no say on education at all. Education should come first. Especially seen as though it is most likley the parents who feel so strongly about it and not the child. Until the child gets old enough to feel there religion (without influence form the parents) is so majourly imprortant and until they can truely understand all of the consequences of leaving main steam education, the parents should stop being stupid and let their kids have a normal childhood and send them to school.
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:26 AM
 
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I guess some people here get the idea of american freedom wrong. It means that you can chose what you do and believe in, not what your children do and believe in. Every person should have the right to grow up witout being indoctrinated some kind of religion, without any influene by a more or less objctive force (like school should be). I am sure that parents who homeschool their children are on an academic level fully capable of it, but I think children have the right to know all facts, not just what their parents think is apropriate for them. Also in my opinion contact with children of the same age in school is a very important experience. Freedom does not mean the freedom to control other people, even if they are your children. All parents who are good citizens should try to bring their children up to become critical thinking individals, not to become loyal christians. Later hey can chosose to become loyal christians themselves, if they want to. That's what freedom means in my opinion.
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Old 03-05-2008, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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I guess some people here get the idea of american freedom wrong. It means that you can chose what you do and believe in, not what your children do and believe in. Every person should have the right to grow up witout being indoctrinated some kind of religion, without any influene by a more or less objctive force (like school should be). I am sure that parents who homeschool their children are on an academic level fully capable of it, but I think children have the right to know all facts, not just what their parents think is apropriate for them. Also in my opinion contact with children of the same age in school is a very important experience. Freedom does not mean the freedom to control other people, even if they are your children. All parents who are good citizens should try to bring their children up to become critical thinking individals, not to become loyal christians. Later hey can chosose to become loyal christians themselves, if they want to. That's what freedom means in my opinion.
Yeh, they should be able to do and say what ever they want, why are their even parents in the world, God should of just zapped em down and let em run free....Lord of the Flies unite..

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 03-05-2008, 11:25 AM
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Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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I'm curious what some of you might think about homeschooling. It's my understanding that a great many of homeschooled children are being taught by their parents for religious reasons. After losing court battles for various things like creationism in science classes and the restrictions placed on schools due to the separation of church and state many parents are just taking their kids out of school altogether.
I totally oppose homeschooling for a number of reasons. The most important reason is that the great majority of parents are simply not qualified teachers and have no credentials to do the job. My sister (who is very religious by the way) has a Masters degree and has taught in Australia, the US and is now teaching in Guadalajara, Mexico so she really does have impressive credentials and she's very dedicated. She feels that homeschooling might be ok for a couple of years of grade school if the family happens to be remotely located from the nearest school which happened to be the case with a few kids when she taught in Montana. Students need someone who is capable of doing the job. Would a parent perform dental work or surgery on their own children? Of course not, they go to a professional. Well, teachers are professionals too and they do a difficult job.
There's another aspect of homeschooling that is troubling. These kids will miss out on the normal life of a child, having new friends at school, having a teacher who inspires them and being exposed to life in the real world instead of the protective cocoon they'll experience at home.
What do some of you think?
I am totally for the choice of a parent to do what they think is best for their child. I am homeschooled and have been for my whole life, and my mom is not "qualified" as a teacher. Granted, my dad is an Air Force Pilot and both of my parents are college grads.... so they're not dumb people, but neither of them have the proper teaching credentials. That being said, they have been very sucessful with me. I am the oldest of three siblings, and all of us have done well academically and socially. Academically, I am not really homeschooled anymore because I have been taking college classes full time. I am a junior but I will be finished with my A.A. in Pre-Law this winter. I have a really high GPA, decent SAT score (1200), and not to mention numerous other extra-cririculars. Socially, you would not be able to tell that I am homeschooled. I dress the same, I have lots of friends from all schooling backgrounds, I am a starter on a varsity basketball team, etc.... After high school I plan to go to college (quite possibly the University of Florida) and then law school after that. My younger sister is in her freshman year, my youngest sister is in 6th grade, and they are both on their way to sucess as well. I also know many other homeschoolers that are doing just as well as we are. There are some homeschoolers that are socially inept, or will have horrible educations, but they are the exception. I even have very different political and scientific views than my parents because I think for myself. So bottom line, a parent does not need a teaching certificate from the state to educate their own child.
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Old 03-05-2008, 09:15 PM
 
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I totally agree MontanaGuy, and i think that religion should have no say on education at all. Education should come first. Especially seen as though it is most likley the parents who feel so strongly about it and not the child. Until the child gets old enough to feel there religion (without influence form the parents) is so majourly imprortant and until they can truely understand all of the consequences of leaving main steam education, the parents should stop being stupid and let their kids have a normal childhood and send them to school.
This is a joke right? majourly? main steam education?
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Old 03-05-2008, 10:21 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Home schooling for religious reasons could end up being the worst case of isolationism ( the kind that favours fascism).
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Old 03-05-2008, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Ostend,Belgium....
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that's true TrickyD, a very dangerous thing.
I think kids belong in school and should not get religious instruction in school. They should not be forcefed something that should be a choice. Then you may as well teach sexual preference too!
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Old 03-06-2008, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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that's true TrickyD, a very dangerous thing.
I think kids belong in school and should not get religious instruction in school. They should not be forcefed something that should be a choice. Then you may as well teach sexual preference too!
So force them to learn man's knowledge and don't force them to learn God's knowledge. Where is the choice in that? As to sexual preference, my children don't need to be taught that. It comes naturally. Preference has to be taught because it is unnatural and a deviation of natural.

FYI, we don't force our kids to religion, we offer a belief in God, and they see the value and better yet feel the power of the love of God. One of my sons was not interested at all, we didn't force him, he saw the love and kindness of his siblings and new that God is the truth, he seeks at his own pace.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 03-06-2008, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Ostend,Belgium....
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How else will they have an education if you don't sit them down in a school and teach them a trade or various subjects so they can have a career to provide for themselves later on? Schooling belongs in school but religion is a preference, a choice. It's like apples and oranges. Whether it be catholicism or whatever religion, it's a choice you make to believe or not. Making a kid go to church is not detrimental to their future. If they choose later in life to start going to church or believing in whatever being, that's up to them. Religion will be there if they choose it but education is hard to start when you're older and it's pitiful when you can't read or write when you're in your 30-40's...... Every kid needs schooling to survive in this world. Otherwise you have a bunch of uneducated people in the next generation and where will they end up?
So you're saying you'd teach them to be straight if your children were gay?
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Old 03-06-2008, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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How else will they have an education if you don't sit them down in a school and teach them a trade or various subjects so they can have a career to provide for themselves later on? Schooling belongs in school but religion is a preference, a choice. It's like apples and oranges. Whether it be catholicism or whatever religion, it's a choice you make to believe or not. Making a kid go to church is not detrimental to their future. If they choose later in life to start going to church or believing in whatever being, that's up to them. Religion will be there if they choose it but education is hard to start when you're older and it's pitiful when you can't read or write when you're in your 30-40's...... Every kid needs schooling to survive in this world. Otherwise you have a bunch of uneducated people in the next generation and where will they end up?
So you're saying you'd teach them to be straight if your children were gay?
Then you would pick and choose what is important in life, i know plenty of people that went to public school and it made very little if any difference in their life (myself included) my Mother taught me to read, my Dad taught me to work, public school taught me to be mediocre and sinful.
Learning is not a given in pub school, and learning how not to be is a greater issue than how to be. Destruction of the family, and a low moral compass, has made many public schools nothing more than a day care center with metal detectors and armed guards.
Gay is a choice, and a challenge for a small percentage of the population.
When a child grows up and leaves the nest, they are free to be what they wish. I will teach them the straight and narrow to the best of my ability, and then they are free to do and be. You can not force a child, but you can guide them and love them.

godspeed,

freedom
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