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Number of goalposts moved by Jeffbase40 - 947 and counting.
Number of goalposts moved by everyone else - Unknown, but known to be considerably less than 947.
Yeah ... we're talking about the number of people God and Satan killed directly.
Please show me in the Bible where it says Satan made someone commit suicide.
If your point is to create this false illusion that God is more immoral than Satan then you have failed. Indirectly or directly doesn't matter. Countless suicides would not have occurred if Satan and his demons were not relentless busy in this world implanting destruction thoughts into people's brains.
God killing a person vs any other creation killing someone is not equivalent either. If God decides to end a life, He is only taking back what He gave in the first place. Life wouldn't exist without God. OTOH, Satan hates all of mankind and wants us to suffer and be miserable. He tempts people into sin and then rides them with guilt for doing it.
Yeah I'm not aware of any research which indicates that Satan is the cause of suicides. I figured that severe depression, severe pain, severe stress, or other serious conditions were the real cause.
If your point is to create this false illusion that God is more immoral than Satan then you have failed. Indirectly or directly doesn't matter.
Your inerrant and infallible Bible says that God killed far more people than Satan. By the numbers, God is far worse. According to your Bible.
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Countless suicides would not have occurred if Satan and his demons were not relentless busy in this world implanting destruction thoughts into people's brains.
We really get a glimpse into the Medieval mind here. Scary unknown phenomena like suicides, lightning, earthquakes, and diseases are seen to be the work of demonic forces or supernatural punishments.
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God killing a person vs any other creation killing someone is not equivalent either. If God decides to end a life, He is only taking back what He gave in the first place. Life wouldn't exist without God.
Vizio says the same thing: God can commit murder and it's ok because he supposedly created us in the first place. It's like saying that child abuse is ok, simply because the parent created the child. This is the dark side of creationism. Given this sick attitude, it wouldn't surprise me at all if fundamentalist Christian homes had higher rates of child abuse than the general population.
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OTOH, Satan hates all of mankind and wants us to suffer and be miserable. He tempts people into sin and then rides them with guilt for doing it.
Arguably, guilt, suffering and being miserable are not quite as bad as being killed. And you don't assert that Satan has the absolute right to kill me. So while Satan seems like a shady character, your god seems far more dangerous.
Your inerrant and infallible Bible says that God killed far more people than Satan. By the numbers, God is far worse. According to your Bible.
Numbers don't prove anything. If God was truly as cold and heartless as you try to present, He would not have bother trying to save man's sorry butts by sending Jesus to pay the death penalty for our sins. Not many humans endured the level of physical pain and torture that Christ experienced. You don't even care to explore the why. Why did God end life in those circumstances? If killing is ALWAYS wrong then you are basically saying people who service in the military and kill the enemy are murderers.
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We really get a glimpse into the Medieval mind here. Scary unknown phenomena like suicides, lightning, earthquakes, and diseases are seen to be the work of demonic forces or supernatural punishments.
There is plenty of evidence out there to support the reality of the supernatural and demonic realm. Your gospel of evolution teaches that we are breed and born with the inherent need for survival. If that's the case, why are we often our own worst enemies? We throw pity parties or can have self defeating thoughts, low self esteem and depression. Our survival instinct should generate high esteem thoughts. You rarely those kind of issues with the thousands of other animal species out there. The answer is those kind of thoughts come from Satan and his hordes. I wouldn't be surprised if Satan is directly influencing your need to be bitter and nasty towards Christians right now.
Vizio says the same thing: God can commit murder and it's ok because he supposedly created us in the first place. It's like saying that child abuse is ok, simply because the parent created the child. This is the dark side of creationism. Given this sick attitude, it wouldn't surprise me at all if fundamentalist Christian homes had higher rates of child abuse than the general population.
Parents don't create life. Parents only provide the physical components. So your analogy really doesn't work. The creator and the creation are not comparable. Your comment about fundamental Christians being sick and prone to child abuse is ignorant on the low end and disgustedly offensive on the high end.
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Arguably, guilt, suffering and being miserable are not quite as bad as being killed. And you don't assert that Satan has the absolute right to kill me. So while Satan seems like a shady character, your god seems far more dangerous.
God gave you life, the ability to love and laugh, enjoy pleasures even in a sin stained world. He gave you the incredible gift of eternal life. OTOH, Satan hates all mankind and wants to see us suffer and destroy our lives. One of Satan's greatest weapon is the emotion of fear which can literally paralyze a person's life. And yet you think God is the more dangerous one? Cmon.
Satan has influenced the death of millions. U need only to look at those he's influenced:
Hilter
Jim Jones
Pol Pot
Chariman Mao
Saddam Hussein
Ahmendenajad
Israel
Bush 1 & 2
FDR
Hoover
Obama(to some degeree) but he's just gettin started with Afghanistan
Charles Manson
Ted Bundy
the list goes on...
If your believe that God gave you freewill then Satan didn't push nothing on the people listed above.
Satan is really good. He protected one third of God's angels from fallen angels from another galaxy and defended me from them as well. The antichrist body hate this and he and his fallen angels accuse and lie on Satan day and night before the throne of God. The antichrist wrote passages in the Bible; this is why the Bible is so big. The antichrist speaks many words in falsehood and deception. God speaks few and his words are clear logical, and he speaks with reason and good judgement. His words are truth and light. The antichrist ultimately want to lure and deceive God's children into fighting Satan in Battle by telling them the lies that God will protect and guide them only to later dispose of them as he doesn't care for them he is just using them as he used me. I repented and came back to Good and learned of the antichrist's deceptions in the Bible and that Satan and his angels are really good.
If your believe that God gave you freewill then Satan didn't push nothing on the people listed above.
Amen!
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