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Old 01-23-2016, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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He didn't create them in the Garden...
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Old 01-23-2016, 02:59 PM
 
Location: US
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You are parroting dogma rather than responding to the resurrected quote which shows that your own holy book depicts Jehovah as having murdered far more individuals than Satan.

What you may possibly be confused about is that it is not okay to murder just because you're Jehovah. If a thing is evil, then it's because it's harmful / disrespectful of the rights of others. As such, it's wrong regardless of who the actor is. Therefore murder doesn't become something else, such as righteous indignation or just judgment, just because your god is engaging in it.
It depends on who you see as Satan...
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Old 01-23-2016, 03:01 PM
 
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They were created in Eden, but not in the Garden...
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Old 01-23-2016, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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It depends on who you see as Satan...
Well, sure, but I'm speaking to the typical fundamentalist Christian view of Satan, since that's what's under discussion here.
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Old 01-23-2016, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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It depends on who you see as Satan...
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First of all let me say that I do not believe that Satan exists,...
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Satan was a murderer from the beginning, ...
Can you show us in the Jewish texts where satan is capitalized?

The word satan (stn) is a noun that simply means "accuser."

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Where do you find ANY of this in the Bible? And if it's not actually in the Bible, doesn't that mean that you are just making it up?
But, of course, they're making it up.
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Old 01-26-2016, 03:33 AM
 
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I do not know if satan actually killed anyone but his fallen angels and the demon spirit surly have , as they have killed up to directly or indirectly the vast majority of people in the earth , as demons are pest of the earth and account for the most direct destruction of the life of man and animals
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Old 01-26-2016, 05:35 AM
 
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I do not know if satan actually killed anyone but his fallen angels and the demon spirit surly have , as they have killed up to directly or indirectly the vast majority of people in the earth , as demons are pest of the earth and account for the most direct destruction of the life of man and animals
All while the all powerful God sat and watched?
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Old 01-26-2016, 05:52 AM
 
Location: I is where I is
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Satan has influenced the death of millions. U need only to look at those he's influenced:

Hilter
Jim Jones
Pol Pot
Chariman Mao
Saddam Hussein
Ahmendenajad
Israel
Bush 1 & 2
FDR
Hoover
Obama(to some degeree) but he's just gettin started with Afghanistan
Charles Manson
Ted Bundy
the list goes on...
This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in my life. These people were in total control of themselves, "Satan" was not controlling them to do horrid things. There are bad apples in the world, and this list has a few on it. People are in control of themselves, therefor in control of their actions. Don't blame something/someone else.
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Old 01-26-2016, 05:53 AM
 
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I do not know if satan actually killed anyone but his fallen angels and the demon spirit surly have , as they have killed up to directly or indirectly the vast majority of people in the earth , as demons are pest of the earth and account for the most direct destruction of the life of man and animals
Right .. because the fallen angels and the "demon spirit" created themselves and then took up residence on planet earth all in direct contravention of what God actually wanted. It must be a tough life, being an all-powerful creator god, ruler of reality ... and yet be so strangely helpless.
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Old 01-26-2016, 06:08 AM
 
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Satan has influenced the death of millions. U need only to look at those he's influenced:

Hilter
Jim Jones
Pol Pot
Chariman Mao
Saddam Hussein
Ahmendenajad
Israel
Bush 1 & 2
FDR
Hoover
Obama(to some degeree) but he's just gettin started with Afghanistan
Charles Manson
Ted Bundy
the list goes on...
It's so "comforting" to know that there are actually people intelligent enough to use high-tech devices like computers and the internet thus putting the summation of all human knowledge at their fingertips -- and yet who still live out their lives believing that the world is shaped by supernatural forces and demonic creatures as if those people are still living in one-room cabins in a forest during the 1600's when every noise beyond the light of their fires was a demon skulking among the sheep for souls.

I just wish I could live long enough to see the last vestiges of Puritan superstition wiped from our civilization. Alas, ridding ourselves of such nonsense will take longer than a human lifetime.

ESPECIALLY when that superstition puts FDR and Obama in the same list with Hoover and both Bushes who are themselves in a list with serial killers, dictators, tyrants, genocidal nutjobs, Muslims, and Jews.

But *ahem* not, say, hundreds of priests and pastors who molested children, prosperity gospel preachers, bigots like Pat Robertson, liars like Jerry Falwell ... and yeah, the "list goes on ..."

Not that I believe anyone was ever "influenced by the Satan" because that only happens in those laughable "B" supernatural horror films.

It's just that your list of historical figures is all over the place ... as if you threw darts at random names while blindfolded and standing in the dark.
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