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The fact that our appearance on this planet was the result of mere happenstance doesn't erase the fact that virtually every being is hardwired to cling to life even in the absence of conscious reasoning. For social sentient beings, on the most basic level, morality is inextricably intertwined with our survival. Without morality, a basic code of conduct, society would collapse and our survival along with it. Having said that, as higher forms of life, issues of morality can rise above simple issues of survival and can encompass a wide spectrum of social interactions which can give greater meaning to our existence.
I thought I was pretty clear with that idea, but thank you for doing more to help along what I'm trying to say.
"If we accept that there is a raison d'etre for human life we can extract them from the panoply of human existence.... The basics are written in the entirety of recorded human experience which provides more than sufficient exemplars of the truly good and constructively edifying to life as well as the truly evil and wholly destructive to life."
The fact that our appearance on this planet was the result of mere happenstance doesn't erase the fact that virtually every being is hardwired to cling to life even in the absence of conscious reasoning. For social sentient beings, on the most basic level, morality is inextricably intertwined with our survival. Without morality, a basic code of conduct, society would collapse and our survival along with it. Having said that, as higher forms of life, issues of morality can rise above simple issues of survival and can encompass a wide spectrum of social interactions which can give greater meaning to our existence.
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I thought I was pretty clear with that idea, but thank you for doing more to help along what I'm trying to say.
Your survival rationale is absurd on its face. Why should it matter if an accident survives or not? You both still remove the context of my "IF" statement and misunderstand that IT is the only thing that justifies ANY of the greater meaning to our existence. Under your view any "greater meaning" is pure BS and delusions of grandeur. It is a pathetic attempt to assign meaning to a meaningless accident.
Your survival rationale is absurd on its face. Why should it matter if an accident survives or not? You both still remove the context of my "IF" statement and misunderstand that IT is the only thing that justifies ANY of the greater meaning to our existence. Under your view any "greater meaning" is pure BS and delusions of grandeur. It is a pathetic attempt to assign meaning to a meaningless accident.
Matter to who? Humans very much care if they survive.
Matter to who? Humans very much care if they survive.
You and ovcatto keep repeating the obvious and ignoring my requests to justify your rationale for the existence of morality and meaning using your vaunted reason and logic. IF humans are cosmic accidents with no reason to be alive . . . why does it matter that they desire to stay alive? Logically? How do you logically assign meaning to a meaningless existence? The issue is not that we do it . . . the issues is under your view . . . SO WHAT?
The other morning, I stubbed my toe on the sidewalk, while retrieving the newspaper. An accident that came out of nowhere. Ripped a gash into my big toe pretty deep, didn't have to happen ,but it did, so instead of letting it just go untreated and maybe get infected, I went back inside and put some ointment and a bandaid over it. In conclusion, even though it happened by mere chance, I decided to treat it, in order that I might continue on.
You and ovcatto keep repeating the obvious and ignoring my requests to justify your rationale for the existence of morality and meaning using your vaunted reason and logic. IF humans are cosmic accidents with no reason to be alive . . . why does it matter that they desire to stay alive? Logically? How do you logically assign meaning to a meaningless existence? The issue is not that we do it . . . the issues is under your view . . . SO WHAT?
You sound like a creationist. The desire to survive has nothing to do with our morality.
The only absurdity is someone trying to argue against the most obvious instincts of both men and beast. Even a dumb as a doorknob insect runs when it perceives a threat.
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Why should it matter if an accident survives or not?
To live, dude, to live.
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You both still remove the context of my "IF" statement and misunderstand that IT is the only thing that justifies ANY of the greater meaning to our existence.
We satisfied the If, so there was any misunderstanding or lifting your quote out of context. Deal with it.
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Under your view any "greater meaning" is pure BS and delusions of grandeur. It is a pathetic attempt to assign meaning to a meaningless accident.
Ad homineum attacks, the last refuge of a desperate argument.
The only absurdity is someone trying to argue against the most obvious instincts of both men and beast. Even a dumb as a doorknob insect runs when it perceives a threat.
To live, dude, to live.
We satisfied the If, so there was any misunderstanding or lifting your quote out of context. Deal with it.
You have not and cannot . . . which is the reason for all the ducking and dodging.
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Under your view any "greater meaning" is pure BS and delusions of grandeur. It is a pathetic attempt to assign meaning to a meaningless accident.
Ad homineum attacks, the last refuge of a desperate argument.
It takes real talent to see an ad hominem (to the MAN) attack that only references your views . . . not you. A little education in the real basis of the logical fallacies seems in order. And you STILL have not addressed the core assertions . . . your position is a pathetic attempt to assign meaning to a meaningless accident.On WHAT LOGICAL BASIS USING REASON (the claim of this thread) do you accomplish the preceding?
You have not and cannot . . . which is the reason for all the ducking and dodging.It takes real talent to see an ad hominem (to the MAN) attack that only references your views . . . not you. A little education in the real basis of the logical fallacies seems in order. And you STILL have not addressed the core assertions . . . your position is a pathetic attempt to assign meaning to a meaningless accident.On WHAT LOGICAL BASIS USING REASON (the claim of this thread) do you accomplish the preceding?
Bold fonts, all caps... tsk, tsk, tsk.
No one has ducked or dodged your question, you just don't like the answers.
Bold fonts, all caps... tsk, tsk, tsk.
No one has ducked or dodged your question, you just don't like the answers.
I figured it couldn't hurt to make it easier to read . . . in case you had some disability in that regard. But you apparently cannot even identify what is an answer and what is a dodge. It is YOUR thread and YOUR PREMISE . . . so show me your logic and reason that produces meaning from a meaningless existence, morality (right or wrong) in a completely purposeless and accidental existence.
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