Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-11-2007, 11:03 AM
 
30,902 posts, read 33,008,032 times
Reputation: 26919

Advertisements

[quote=pladecalvo;866555]
Quote:
Originally Posted by fromcenFL View Post
Are you refering to the "fall of Jerusalem" that took place in c586BCE........the destruction of Jerusalem "prophecised" in the book of Daniel.......the book of Daniel that is now accepted by biblical scholars as being written c165BCE.........421 years after the event?
Ah! There's my censored friend! Morning, Plad.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-11-2007, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
954 posts, read 813,440 times
Reputation: 202
[quote=fromcenFL;866506]
Quote:
No, Matthew was one of the twelve, being an eyewitness
In Matthew 9:9, the author is talking about the call of Matthew by JC:

As Jesus was walking along, he saw a man called Matthew sitting at the tax booth; and he said to him, "Follow me." And he got up and followed him.

Doesn't sound much like an "eyewitness" account by the author to me.

Quote:
and probably the earliest gospel.
Nope! Mark was first c70CE.

Quote:
Thats true, he wasn't an eyewitness, but he didn't claim to merely copy/interpret what others wrote. He sought out eyewitnesses: "it seemed fitting for me as well, having INVESTIGATED everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught" Luke 1:3
"Eyewitness accounts" approximately 60 years after the alleged events! Mmmmm!!

Quote:
There is such a volume of information on this debate that you cannot dogmatically state such a thing. One side of a story always sound true, until you hear the other side.
That works both ways.

Quote:
So the apostle's creed of the 2nd century does not affirm Jesus' Divinity?
"and in Jesus Christ, our Lord"
Nor the Nicene Creed of 325 AD?
"Very God of very God, begotten not made, being of the same substance as the father."
You are incorrect in your statement that it wasn't until the Council of Chalcedon that Jesus' divinity was recognized by a council.
You are correct here and I conceed my mistake. I was discussing the Council of Chalcedon in another forum and totally mixed up my info. My bad!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-11-2007, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
954 posts, read 813,440 times
Reputation: 202
[quote=JerZ;866571]
Quote:
Originally Posted by pladecalvo View Post

Ah! There's my censored friend! Morning, Plad.
Morning!! It's 7:30 pm here.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-11-2007, 11:23 AM
 
Location: ARK-KIN-SAW
3,434 posts, read 9,745,612 times
Reputation: 1596
[quote=pladecalvo;866660]
Quote:
Originally Posted by JerZ View Post
Morning!! It's 7:30 pm here.
buenos noches
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-11-2007, 11:26 AM
 
30,902 posts, read 33,008,032 times
Reputation: 26919
Quote:
Originally Posted by pladecalvo View Post
Morning!! It's 7:30 pm here.
It's almost 10:30 AM here (California).

So I'm guessing you'll say "no" to an offer of breakfast?

Oh well. I guess Irishmom gets it! Come on over, Irishmom, it's eggs and bacon this morning.

MontanaGuy doesn't get any unless he promises to play a song on his guitar first. And no, "Kumbaya" doesn't count.

Last edited by JerZ; 06-11-2007 at 11:28 AM.. Reason: Oops! Attributed the quote to myself.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-18-2007, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Warwick, NY
1,174 posts, read 5,903,286 times
Reputation: 1023
Quote:
Originally Posted by JerZ View Post
Wait, dang, I've gotta buy this thing??? Arghhhhhh. A stumbling block, which flies in the face of my inherent cheap-itude. Well, maybe...I do have a birthday coming up...I think I'll also buzz by my library and see if there's some chance they have it. I doubt it but one never knows.

Reading the reviews of the book, it seems like these scholars did use a variety of means, including linguistics...that gives me a bit more confidence in it...sometimes "he said/he didn't say" publications rely on earlier published Biblical works but that ends up as a circular thinking sort of thing. Plus, it would have made the newer book just one more edit, which wouldn't make it any more true than the former ones. But this one according to the reviews uses some very basic cut-and-dry methods. Hmmmmmmmmmm. I'll see if I can get a hold of this and then will report back with what I think. Thanks again for the referral, ADV.
You don't have to buy them. The entire texts of Nag Hammadi are online including various translations.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:45 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top