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It seems to me that anyone who is so unhappy with the United States has the ability to relocate to many other countries in the world. Most countries will allow you to enter the country and eventually seek citizenship. So, if you are really unhappy with life as it is, why not relocate elsewhere?
Once you do so, you will find out that the places you thought were ideal are somewhat less than ideal.
From my experience, the health care that I have received in this country is much better than what I received under the Ontario provincial plan. YMMV.
It's nothing to do with apples to oranges. The citizens of those countries made specific social policy decisions that have resulted in a generally better standard of living and life balance. If Americans acted in the same manner, we could also achieve those results. I am not holding my breath, however...
Ummm, the average person does not enjoy a higher standard of living in most of those countries, compared to the US. Economic vitality goes with economic volatility--the US is on a rollercoaster versus most of Europe, but with lower unemployment and higher standards of living on average.
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It seems to me that anyone who is so unhappy with the United States has the ability to relocate to many other countries in the world. Most countries will allow you to enter the country and eventually seek citizenship. So, if you are really unhappy with life as it is, why not relocate elsewhere?
Once you do so, you will find out that the places you thought were ideal are somewhat less than ideal.
From my experience, the health care that I have received in this country is much better than what I received under the Ontario provincial plan. YMMV.
Someone sees something in THEIR country that can be improved and when they suggest improvement, you suggest they leave their country and move somewhere else? WTF??? Where would we be if everyone who suggested we could do better was asked to leave?
Second point, we are glad the you are happy with YOUR healthcare, but you do realize that not everyone has YOUR healthcare?
You asked if we have any kids or grand kids and if so you doubted their retirement was looking very good right now. Many posters post with a ethnocentric/self centered view of the world. That can lead to assumptions valid or not about the poster. This forum is full of reader assumptions about other posters.
Well you know what they say about ASSuming! I was making a general comment that future generations will probably have less favorable economic circumstances than the baby boomers. Do you disagree with that assumption?
Someone sees something in THEIR country that can be improved and when they suggest improvement, you suggest they leave their country and move somewhere else? WTF??? Where would we be if everyone who suggested we could do better was asked to leave?
Second point, we are glad the you are happy with YOUR healthcare, but you do realize that not everyone has YOUR healthcare?
Probably better off than we are with people chronically complaining and offering no solutions whatsoever, just questionable comparisons. If nothing else, it would be more pleasant. There would also fewer mouths to feed.
Most people I know are clueless as to how much better people of other countries have it than we do here. After all, we live in the 'greatest country in the history of the world'. Ignorance is bliss, so they say...
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Originally Posted by Shirina
The graveyards of history are filled with the corpses of once-great civilizations that resisted change and believed they could keep doing things the "same old way." And thus the world got up and left them behind, left them to wither into being inconsequential lapdogs for more adaptive nations or they cease to exist altogether.
America is facing that crossroad now, but I think our stubborn pride and arrrogance - the refusal to incorporate good ideas that America didn't invent - will result in a big red-white-and-blue tombstone with America's name on it.
At any rate, I could write a book on this topic. Suffice it to say that those who think the statistics are "hyperbolic" are the same folks you can blame when and if America lays down in its grave, too stubbornly proud of itself to admit its failings and too arrogant to change. Sure, we can pretend that those statistics mean nothing. I remember playing at make-believe when I was a kid. We can pretend here, too, just like the conservatives during the Christmas of 2008 claiming the economy was doing fine based on the number of cars in mall parking lots. They thought the numbers were hyperbolic, too.
Something very odd is going on with the above (and other) posts. Such a big point is being made that the USA is not first in the world according to this or that parameter. And so what? Why would the USA be first no matter what one chooses to measure?
Whether this or that statistic is "hyperbolic" could be argued if we knew more about how the statistics in the linked article on the original post were gathered, but what cannot be argued is that the rhetoric is hyperbolic and overwrought. This country is likened to a corpse in a graveyard? It is on track to having a "tombstone" and being an "inconsequential lapdog" for other countries? That's not hyperbolic?
What is "laying down in its grave" here is reasoned discussion.
Edited to add: Another example is the thread title itself. Can we say childish?
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Probably better off than we are with people chronically complaining and offering no solutions whatsoever, just questionable comparisons. If nothing else, it would be more pleasant. There would also fewer mouths to feed.
So is that another vote for "if you think the US is not perfect and can be improved, you should leave"?
This is going to get worse as the Boomers retire, because many boomers have 401ks instead of traditional pensions. 401ks are falling short, and I believe it will take another 10 years (40 years after they were invented) to realize what a terrible idea they were (though to their credit, their inventor intended them to supplement traditional pensions, NOT to replace them.)
So is that another vote for "if you think the US is not perfect and can be improved, you should leave"?
Nope! That's another vote for stop making meaningless comparisons and if you think we can/should do better, which is a reasonable observation, then do something affirmative to help make it happen. Talk is cheap and if you think somewhere else is so much more advanced and preferable and you don't wish to invest in this country then by all means, move to your nirvana.
I don't know how long you've been around by in my almost 68 years I've grown quite weary of the complainers, whiners and naysayers because they take away rather than add anything of value.
What I find really amazing is the growing number of posters who have either not posted in this forum before or have rarely done so, who have negative attitudes toward this country and who suddenly come flocking out of the woodwork to vent their spite as if some alarm has gone off to alert them that it's a time and opportunity for a collective assault on America. 'Tis a puzzlement with no value added!
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Ummm, the average person does not enjoy a higher standard of living in most of those countries, compared to the US. Economic vitality goes with economic volatility--the US is on a rollercoaster versus most of Europe, but with lower unemployment and higher standards of living on average.
Ummm, actually they do. It's why the US finds itself far down the lists of these types of surveys. Hint: try going abroad and actually spending time in these countries. You will be gobsmacked by what you discover.
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Reasoned discussion - RIP
