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I had all the biomarkers done which determined a quickly advancing RA. Hands so swollen, red and virtually non-functional. In the ER twice, practically screaming: "They HAVE to be broken!!! Just LOOK at them!!!"
The pharma solution? ANTI-IMMUNITY drugs! Seriously?! No thank you. Went to a Naturopath 50 miles away whom a friend recommended.. The remedies he gave me have a mix of things in them. Redness - GONE; Swelling - GONE; Usability - BACK.
Whole foods, lots of veggies, spices/herbs, lots of exercise and constantly learning new things. So far, so good.
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Neither the drug companies nor the FDA took any addition to halt the use of grape seeds or any other dietary supplement. These are unregulated materials. The FDA can only take action if the vendors make bold claims that these supplements prevent or cure diseases. Any such actions by the FDA are very rare. Are you aware of a single comment against use of grape seed by the FDA or any pharma company?
Can't think of any but I know pharma and some of their buddies would like to see all supplements gone and there was a strong movement for a while. Our very first health food store in Santa Monica was raided and those yellow banners were on the empty shelves where vitamins once were. That was probably 30+ yrs ago..thank goodness the supplement world has their lobbyists and proponents.
There is a lot of research being done at major cancer research hospitals with grape seed ex and pycnogenol. I have a lot of info on Alt Med about the wonders of the grape seed and gapes in general. The most work done on cancers and grape seed ex is with breast cancer, melanoma, colorectal, prostate. As I said I have a posting on Alt Med on these 4. We were told back in 1995 when Pycnogenol was being brought to the U.S. that "may prevent cancer(s)"...that's all I needed to hear...and it's been 22+ yrs on Pyc or Grape Seed Ex...
I had all the biomarkers done which determined a quickly advancing RA. Hands so swollen, red and virtually non-functional. In the ER twice, practically screaming: "They HAVE to be broken!!! Just LOOK at them!!!"
The pharma solution? ANTI-IMMUNITY drugs! Seriously?! No thank you. Went to a Naturopath 50 miles away whom a friend recommended.. The remedies he gave me have a mix of things in them. Redness - GONE; Swelling - GONE; Usability - BACK.
I'm a believer.
Good to hear your success story. There are so many non believers...
There are many centuries old remedies that have a basis in truth and are effective for good reasons. My father suffered from arthritis and had foot pain for maybe 20 years and saw many doctors that prescriped a lot of drugs that all were ineffective. The last doctor he saw recommended he see a homeopath that the Dr said he had had great success with, with some cases. My father saw her and she recommended two things and he is a believer now. The pain is gone but of course, the arthritis is still there and his hands have the same mobility.
Can't think of any but I know pharma and some of their buddies would like to see all supplements gone and there was a strong movement for a while. Our very first health food store in Santa Monica was raided and those yellow banners were on the empty shelves where vitamins once were. That was probably 30+ yrs ago..thank goodness the supplement world has their lobbyists and proponents.
There is a lot of research being done at major cancer research hospitals with grape seed ex and pycnogenol. I have a lot of info on Alt Med about the wonders of the grape seed and gapes in general. The most work done on cancers and grape seed ex is with breast cancer, melanoma, colorectal, prostate. As I said I have a posting on Alt Med on these 4. We were told back in 1995 when Pycnogenol was being brought to the U.S. that "may prevent cancer(s)"...that's all I needed to hear...and it's been 22+ yrs on Pyc or Grape Seed Ex...
Sorry I did not realize that you had insider information on the research in this field and advanced training in biochemistry and medicine that would allow you to evaluate the research and publications.
Sorry I did not realize that you had insider information on the research in this field and advanced training in biochemistry and medicine that would allow you to evaluate the research and publications.
Insider? All the info I've posted I've gotten on the internet and everything else I mention is from years of working with supplements for my own health.
Is there a reason you're spreading out from the Alt Med and Health boards to carry on your tirade against the pharmaceutical industry and promotion of supplements?
If they've done such wonderful things for the brain, I would think one wouldn't need 129 posts in order to figure out what cheap cell phone to buy...assuming that's even been done by now.
(Written because of the sticky that says not to report threads for being off the topic of retirement and even though it might earn me an infraction)
I use several supplements that I think are beneficial to me. I regularly take milk thistle, a probiotic, and a greens powder shake. I've also used various weightlifting supplements in the past, take a multivitamin, and will occasionally use things like Emergen-C where applicable. I'm a proponent of the sensible use of supplements as a supplement to whatever your medical regimen is.
Supplements may be great for preventing things before they happen or for providing some sort of protective effect. When I was weightlifting very seriously, glutamine supplements gave me a very noticeable reduction in muscle soreness the day after a work out, enabling me to train harder. But I wouldn't go out and bet on homeopathy if diagnosed with stage 4 cancer.
Western medicine has been excellent in treating previously uncurable conditions, or at least significantly extending lifespans and improving quality of life. Heart problems and cancers that wiped people out as recently as 150 years ago are now often curable and routinely treated. It isn't perfect, but it's far, far better than trusting in supplements, homeopathy, and nutrition alone.
With that said, the effectiveness of supplements may be skewed by who is using them. People are frequently using supplements are likely already interested in nutrition and health as it is. I ran into a childhood friend's mother yesterday at the gym. She has taught spin classes and other fitness classes for years. Very healthy diet, etc. She's 62, but a lot of people would think she's late 40s. She's a very young 62.
She may be on a lot of supplements, but are the supplements what keeps her healthy and young looking? Or is it the exercise and nutrition more than the supplements?
......thank goodness the supplement world has their lobbyists and proponents.
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I could not help but be bothered by this. Yes, you are correct the multi, multi billion dollar supplement industry has lobbyists and the users of their products also support them. All of that money and lobbying has created an ugly monster. First there are the bogus, snake oil claims and promotion along with fake research, magazine promotions, etc. Without any regulation, the industry barely needs any concern about the truth. Walk into any supplement store and you will find thousands of formulations. If even a small fraction were helpful, the consumer would go broke buying the products and would need to jam in mouthfuls of pills and other formulations a day.
Duping gullible consumers with false snake oil claims is just the tip of the iceberg. Without regulation, manufacturers have no need to be careful about the making their products. No testing is needed. No good manufacturing practices need to be followed. Many products actually have little and in some cases none of the ingredients listed. It is hard to believe the abuses that the lack of regulation has permitted. I had a torn meniscus and asked my surgeon about supplements for joint health. Not only was he dubious about any possible beneficial effect, he showed me a study with measurements of the active ingredients. Some of the formulations had almost none of the claimed ingredients.
In addition to ripping off consumers with snake oil claims, some of the materials don't even contain snake oil. Canola is a lot cheaper. Those are big enough issues, but there is a third. Many of the supplements are harmful. Without any sort of care in manufacturing and without any studies, some have been found to be highly toxic and users have died because of them. Unfortunately the strength of the lobby often prevents any sort of action. Again there are little or no regulations. Also what government bureaucrat wants to go up against this lobby? Deaf, dumb and blind is a better strategy.
None of this means that all supplements are totally useless or not correctly manufactured or potentially harmful. But without serious scientific studies, how would we ever know? Sadly, we are gullible, ignorant and easily duped especially regarding health issues. In the meantime I will restrict my consumption of supplements to a simple multivitamin where the ingredients are tested by the USP and there is some basic knowledge of daily requirements.
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