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Old 11-18-2010, 08:45 AM
 
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There is no guarantee of safety and there never will be. You're fooling yourself if you believe that these machines and pat-downs will guarantee your safety.
Okay so do you want to do away with patdowns and scanners and allow anyone and everyone on board to just hop on the plane with no security check at all?

Would you prefer no scanner and just a "non-invasive" patdown? I'm just wondering what you prefer while keeping in mind the safety of those on board a plane.

Oh, and, I never said they guarantee 100% safety and are completely fool-proof but if it keeps me safe moreso on board a plane, I'M ALL FOR the new security measures!



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They have metal detectors in airports, too, but they are suddenly not good enough and frisking and revealing imagery are now required.
Then those who don't like it should get a pat down, and if they don't want a pat down, (like I previously said) DON'T FLY.



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No, the imaging machines will NOT detect explosives or weapons hidden in the body. Only a full x-ray (out of the question due to health concerns) and a cavity search would provide absolute proof that someone isn't concealing something in his/her body.
The bottomline is that the new security measures are safer for those on board on a plane and I'm okay with that!

Maybe others aren't okay with it; if I fly on some aircraft many feet above land, you're damn right I want to feel as safe as possible.



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My point is this: if a pilot wants to kill everyone on the plane there is nothing that a physical search can do to protect the passengers. He's at the controls and can do anything he'd like to the aircraft and the passengers it carries.
I agree, of course the pilot can just crash the plane if he/she wanted to. But why should he/she be allowed to circumvent security measures in place just because he/she is a pilot?

Everyone should have to go through the same security measures as everyone else. Fair is fair. Especially in the name of security for the passengers.
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Old 11-18-2010, 08:51 AM
 
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It is true that many who are complaining, at least some, do not even fly and just want to whine about the government blah blah blah just totally detached and re-hatching whatever they heard in some other quarter.

A google search using the terms 'tsa pat-down waistband' will reveal plenty of places online where complaints, the same ones, are all being said over and over again. It all began with some whiner saying some TSO said he needed to search his waistband (duh they have been asking to do this for a while, did this guy never fly?) and got turned into others yelling about no one is putting hands down their pants. Total game of telephone but with a postmodern twist. The internet is lit up like a Christmas tree now with this issue.

On the other hand all those in flight paths, on the ground, who might never fly, should also be concerned about safety. This then extends to everyone because another incident does affect everyone on some level. Huge difference between concern and complaint though.
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Old 11-18-2010, 08:53 AM
 
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The point is that even with these scanners, you are not safe, but you believe it if you want to and it makes you feel better. These scanners cannot see into one's rectum or stomach or any other cavity which can and has been used to smuggle drugs and potentially explosives... so now what? X-ray everyone?
So what would you prefer? That we just have a "non-invasive" patdown and hope that no crazy person on board a plane smuggled in something (that a full body scanner could have caught)?

I won't speak for anyone. But I want to feel AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE MANY FEET IN THE AIR on an aircraft. Maybe others don't care about their safety, BUT I KNOW I DO.


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"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin
Great quote. But, for me, it doesn't apply to flying on a plane. A plane is a temporary trip from Point A to Point B. People should be allowed to feel safe and as secure as possible.

Maybe we can have certain airlines and planes with those who agree to NO patdown, and NO full body scanner and they can all get on that plane and TAKE THE RISK with NO kind of security measure in place whatsoever. How about that?

And people like myself who do care about security, can get the patdown and MOVE ON WITH LIFE.

That might be a solution.
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Old 11-18-2010, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Pipe Creek, TX
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30,000 feet up.... hole in fuselage... plummeting to the ground like Lynyrd Skynyrd.... I rest my case....
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Old 11-18-2010, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Hay guys, check this out
http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...controversies/
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Old 11-18-2010, 09:43 AM
 
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At first they requested only one to turn their waistband inside out but then, at least two years ago, checking with your thumbs was part of SOP.
Yeah, but now they're going way beyond that and putting HANDS, turned palm up inside of a waistband. Not just thumbs. That's what I've personally experienced and it's total crap. Depending on how long an agent's hands/fingers are, that can mean a pretty invasive search.

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Old 11-18-2010, 09:46 AM
 
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Yeah, but now they're going way beyond that and putting HANDS, turned palm up inside of a waistband. Not just thumbs. That's what I've personally experienced and it's total crap. Depending on how long an agent's hands/fingers are, that can mean a pretty invasive search.
I have been out the loop so will not discount your personal experience and can only comment on the past. Seems more retraining or a switch in policy is in order.

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Old 11-18-2010, 09:53 AM
 
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... However, I am glad they exempted children from the pat down. That was going a little too far.
Because children aren't capable of being brainwashed and told to carry an explosive onto a jet airplane? BS. Anyone is capable of crazy... Even little Sally.

What's good for the goose.
If the TSA is exempting children, then it totally negates their whole system and leaves yet another hole in their 'fight against terrorism.' Once again, this only proves that it's a useless show, only used to deter, but not actually detect. That wouldn't be quite so bad if billions of our tax dollars weren't at risk, as well as our now-deteriorating personal civil liberties.

Don't even get me started on the lack of security with cargo and private aviation. The TSA is a total joke. Do some research and you'll quickly see just how vunerable we remain while politicians play our widdling freedoms like fiddles. It's easy to step up to a mic and talk about how great the TSA is when you never have to deal with them.

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Old 11-18-2010, 09:54 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Makes me want to pop some Viagra before I go through that line, just to the spite the idiot TSO. Feel all you want! I don't care who you are or what your job is, touching someone in a way that is illegal outside of an airport should be illegal inside of an airport.
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Old 11-18-2010, 09:56 AM
 
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Well that seems a bit of an exaggeration.

I mean trying to label TSA as sex offenders then even joking about doing something like that...

...there are female TSOs so maybe not something to joke about? Would hate for them to have to put up with such a situation. I know you were being sarcastic, at least I hope you were, ya, you were ^_^
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