12-12-2012, 09:07 PM
Location: Mission Hills, San Diego
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Yes they are an absolute rip off, I can't imagine getting sucked up in that mess and paying the costs of these "vacations" With that all said last year we were at a fair in Little Italy and were approached by these sharks. At the time I was not working and thought it would be a good sporting event to try and game these people. Free 5 day cruise? I'll play ball. Against my spouses better judgement, we decided to go to the presentation-this was Hyatt or Hilton situation. We were prescreened and then went to a 2 hour presentation, 1:1 not a group like I was hoping for.
The first guy was nice, the "good cop" , when we said there was no way it would work for us, the "bad cop" was turned on us. Mind you this women, as young as his oldest daughter, had been trying to flirt with my husband going into this. He told me within minutes of being there that she pulling some scam by trying to overtly make eyes. This naive twit doesn't know how things
work does she? Let's say I actually wanted a boring resort vacation for the next 20 years?
Well if I did -I never have-I would not have let her make the sale based on her behavior. I'm not sure on what planet did she think she was living on? Then she unleashed her wrath on me (I'm not the book keeper in the family, but sort of the CEO when it comes to spending decisions). She essentially called me a con artist for coming to the presentation and not
buying when "clearly your hard working husband would like our vacations" . LOL. We knew it would be awful, but it was in some ways not worth the 2 hours. Needless to say we got our "free" cruise-we had to pay port charges, I think around 275 total for both of us which was not bad for 5 days of lodging and meals, plus we
had a great time.
At this point our time is too valuable to be treated like that again. Plus I think they actually "black list" you
at certain properties so people dont go around and try to get too many free vacations
At one point she asked me ( not my husband of almost 20 years) if I , not if we , had ever done this before. When I said now she picked up our paper work and trotted off, only to return sulking and admitting defeat.
12-13-2012, 11:02 AM
Location: Santaluz - San Diego, CA
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Clevelandgal
I totally agree Clevelandgal. I only went to one of those time share meetings once almost immediately after I graduated from College. I think I was down in Cancun and there was some free tour or something. It was just God awful! I swore I'd never go to one of those again. No matter what they were offering free.
I travel a TON and come across a lot of people and I very rarely (almost never) have heard of anyone that had a time share that they were happy about or didn't regret purchasing.
12-13-2012, 01:01 PM
Location: San Diego
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We learned our lesson down in Cabo. They had us get on a bus and go to a remote resort. We basically had to run out and find a taxi back into town since we wouldn't sucker into their scam. Kind of scary actually.
12-13-2012, 10:17 PM
Location: Mission Hills, San Diego
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Yeah I'm amazed that people are tortured by presentations for a free meal, tour or parasailing. I only did it because it was cruise, albiet Carnival
. It was 2 hours of our life, plus the drive to Oceanside...but the whole thing was horrific. I'll just pay for my stuff myself rather than endure that again!
12-14-2012, 06:25 AM
Location: San Diego
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Clevelandgal
Yeah I'm amazed that people are tortured by presentations for a free meal, tour or parasailing. I only did it because it was cruise, albiet Carnival
. It was 2 hours of our life, plus the drive to Oceanside...but the whole thing was horrific. I'll just pay for my stuff myself rather than endure that again!
We were actually interested until we saw the costs and hidden fees. I can't believe anyone actually pulls the trigger for an obvious ripoff.
12-14-2012, 07:39 AM
Location: Mission Hills, San Diego
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We were actually interested until we saw the costs and hidden fees. I can't believe anyone actually pulls the trigger for an obvious ripoff.
Yes in theory, if it were not a scam, it could work for some people. The flat fee seemed reasonable, but then all the maintence, and booking fees, and so on. We are not resort type people though so it was really, really not going to happen.
12-14-2012, 08:36 AM
Location: Santaluz - San Diego, CA
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Yes in theory, if it were not a scam, it could work for some people. The flat fee seemed reasonable, but then all the maintence, and booking fees, and so on. We are not resort type people though so it was really, really not going to happen.
I guess it might work for some people IF the development is legitimate and IF they don't rape you on maintenance, HOA, taxes, fees, etc AND it's well managed (that's a lot of IF's).
But even then, personally if I plan to go somewhere every single year on vacation, I'd seriously look into possibly buying the place outright and use it for the weeks I want to use it and rent it for the time I'm not there. I own properties like that where I bought them many years ago and I use them the weeks I want to use them (or let friends stay free), rent it out for the time I'm not there, or trade them for weeks in other properties around the world. It works out beautifully and several of them have already been paid off with
rental income.
I just can't see the appeal to a time share investment these days.
12-14-2012, 10:13 AM
Location: San Diego
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I looked at their paperwork and they have a total of TWO resorts (both suck) without having to do a xfer fee to another resort. So, they are basically just booking the rooms for you, plus a fee, that you could do cheaper yourself. AND, the resorts you have access to you have to book like a year in advance. It would cost half as much just to book off the net and avoid the scam 10k they get you as the purchase.
12-14-2012, 01:38 PM
Location: 92037
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1AngryTaxPayer
I looked at their paperwork and they have a total of TWO resorts (both suck) without having to do a xfer fee to another resort. So, they are basically just booking the rooms for you, plus a fee, that you could do cheaper yourself. AND, the resorts you have access to you have to book like a year in advance. It would cost half as much just to book off the net and avoid the scam 10k they get you as the purchase.
I was dragged into one of these things from my mother in law and wanted to die a slow death.
I just remember after the song and dance and looking around the room like wtf, these people are really into it! They then ushered us into a room to sign up at one of their dozen or so tables.
I remember the sales guy writing on a blank piece of paper saying "Yeah, but you are 'investing' in your yearly vacation with a HUGE network of properties are your disposal." "Look at how much an average vacations costs ...Guess what? Hotel rates are going to go up but your annual dues wont! Look at the savings!"
I know the guy was trying to do his job but man it was brutal.
You hit the nail on the head 1ATP. I dont get it either, what a ripoff.
12-14-2012, 04:43 PM
Location: Santaluz - San Diego, CA
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The thing is like anything else out there (crap or not) there are always a small percentage of "impulse buyers" out there. Doesn't matter if you're talking about crap on HSN, expensive cars, jewelry or time shares. There will always be a % of the population that are impulse buyers that are willing to purchase it.
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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At one point she asked me ( not my husband of almost 20 years) if I , not if we , had ever done this before. When I said now she picked up our paper work and trotted off, only to return sulking and admitting defeat.
. It was 2 hours of our life, plus the drive to Oceanside...but the whole thing was horrific. I'll just pay for my stuff myself rather than endure that again!
