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Old 06-25-2010, 01:05 AM
 
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There are highways in the city, but they are useless most of the time because of traffic.
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:22 AM
 
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There are highways in the city, but they are useless most of the time because of traffic.
The traffic is not too bad. The worse problem is not having a highway that connects Golden Gate Bridge to 101/280. The large sunset/richmond districts have very few high speed roads which makes driving here a real pain with too many stop signs and too much waste of gas. The highways in SF basically serve only the southern part of the city. It seems that cities policy has been historically not to build anything! So there is no real subway nor any highway and very few tunnels for such a densely populated city. Think "Big dig" in Boston and their subway...
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:33 AM
 
Location: A bit further north than before
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I just rode the DC subway which is amazing. They run 5 lines in the city that will pretty much take you anywhere. The stations are clean and modern looking and lot of good people ride the trains unlike Muni which is mostly used by the poor, homeless, pscyhos and various combinations of these three. SF is by and large a driving city, at least for those who can afford it! DC runs a subway train every 2-3 min in busy hours and its just amazing to see the number of people using public transport there.
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DC subways are well funded because of the government presence in the city. They may not let DCers vote, but Congress makes sure the city runs well. If the Metro there had to run itself the same way Muni does, it would be broke and falling apart too.
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:37 AM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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The traffic is not too bad. The worse problem is not having a highway that connects Golden Gate Bridge to 101/280. The large sunset/richmond districts have very few high speed roads which makes driving here a real pain with too many stop signs and too much waste of gas. The highways in SF basically serve only the southern part of the city. It seems that cities policy has been historically not to build anything! So there is no real subway nor any highway and very few tunnels for such a densely populated city. Think "Big dig" in Boston and their subway...
The problem is not necessarily "not building anything," it's "not destroying anything"... like the entire 19th Avenue corridor or all of Lombard and Van Ness. I would hazard a guess that it would take around $500 million to buy all the properties along 19th Ave, not including Parkmerced. Buying all the properties along Lombard in Cow Hollow would take even more.
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:54 AM
 
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DC subways are well funded because of the government presence in the city. They may not let DCers vote, but Congress makes sure the city runs well. If the Metro there had to run itself the same way Muni does, it would be broke and falling apart too.
Well I guess there is some truth in the fact that DC gets more investment because of the importance of the area. But Boston is much older and unplanned compared to SF but they still built a pretty modern infrastructure of good highways, commuter rail, subway and light rail. You cannot deny the fact that CA infrastructure is poorly maintained and very outdated compared to almost any other state.
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:51 AM
 
Location: 38°14′45″N 122°37′53″W
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Anyone care to explain why the public transportation in the bay area (caltrain, muni, the buses) is always late, slow, and limited? Quite frustrating if you're trying to get where you need to be and are running late. Not only this but what's with the underground muni going on the street and hitting stop lights? Never heard of such a thing.
Oh, because you don't understand it, it's terrible?

whatevs.
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Old 06-25-2010, 12:28 PM
 
Location: South Korea
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The traffic is not too bad. The worse problem is not having a highway that connects Golden Gate Bridge to 101/280. The large sunset/richmond districts have very few high speed roads which makes driving here a real pain with too many stop signs and too much waste of gas. The highways in SF basically serve only the southern part of the city. It seems that cities policy has been historically not to build anything! So there is no real subway nor any highway and very few tunnels for such a densely populated city. Think "Big dig" in Boston and their subway...
You can move along pretty quickly on 19th Ave, Van Ness, Lombard, etc. SF is a tiny city and there are plenty of highways in the burbs. If there were more giant freeways in SF then they would just attract more traffic and be jammed up all the time and would reduce the housing stock even more.

Also there used to be the Embarcadero Freeway and also some sort of freeway in Hayes Valley, both were considered to be horrible eyesores that ruined their neighborhoods and when they were torn down after the '89 quake Hayes Valley and the embarcadero area were revitalized. My guess is you wouldn't want a giant highway outside your window.
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Old 06-25-2010, 04:06 PM
 
Location: San Leandro
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Bay area transit sucks, its too fickle and to balkanized. Its better than pretty much everywhere else on the west coast, but compared to chicago, new york, dc, philly, and other places back east it sucks.
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Old 06-26-2010, 10:35 AM
 
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I would rate the public transportation in San Francisco quite high.



My list would be:
  1. New York
  2. Chicago
  3. San Francisco
  4. Boston
  5. Toronto
This is based purely on my own subjective experiences.
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Old 06-26-2010, 11:03 AM
 
Location: 38°14′45″N 122°37′53″W
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The traffic is not too bad. The worse problem is not having a highway that connects Golden Gate Bridge to 101/280. The large sunset/richmond districts have very few high speed roads which makes driving here a real pain with too many stop signs and too much waste of gas. The highways in SF basically serve only the southern part of the city. It seems that cities policy has been historically not to build anything! So there is no real subway nor any highway and very few tunnels for such a densely populated city. Think "Big dig" in Boston and their subway...
Hello? You do realize that San Francisco has been a major city since before you moved here a few months ago?
Think 1989 Loma Prieta, for one thing... Surely you are faking this, right?
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