Is there still a Black gang problem in Oakland? (Los Angeles: buy, bus)

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by Nineties Flava

And yet 13 pages ago you said you wouldn't trust a single figure out out of the OPD (which the Oakland Gang Intelligence Unit is a part of) over a figure scribbled on a napkin? Talk about flip flopping.

And once again, 10,000 has already been verified as the number for Alameda County by one of your own sources you misinterpreted. Speaking of agendas...

You do know you can trust an individual, but not the organization right? That's the entire point of a whistle blower. So your point doesn't make much sense if you're trying to catch me in some sort of "ah ha" moment.

Like with WorldCom, I TRUSTED Cynthia Cooper's testimony that WorldCom was cooking their books, but I distrusted WorldCom's financial data to investors (which is why I never invested in that bubble company).

This is the same with Oakland. I trust the head of Oakland's Gang Intelligence Department, but I distrust the Oakland PD's 858 figure taken from a database that has been called unreliable for such reporting by its own administrators.

Going by his figures, Oakland has a huge gang problem, and more gang members than L.A per capita. If you can find a more reliable source. Let me know.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by jade408

this thread is reminding me of a guy i met in high school (in the south). Anyway he said he moved from oakland, he was a crip, and he was a black belt. I don't know if this information was supposed to make me impressed or if it was even true. But he did leave an impression on me. I was a sophomore, he was a freshman, and he was 18.

California kicks out the older kids and sends them to continuation school. Sc lets them stay. There were a few 16 year old 8th graders and 20 year old high school students at my school.

lol

[Nineties Flava]

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

You do know you can trust an individual, but not the organization right? That's the entire point of a whistle blower. So your point doesn't make much sense if you're trying to catch me in some sort of "ah ha" moment.

Like with WorldCom, I TRUSTED Cynthia Cooper's testimony that WorldCom was cooking their books, but I distrusted WorldCom's financial data to investors (which is why I never invested in that bubble company).

This is the same with Oakland. I trust the head of Oakland's Gang Intelligence Department, but I distrust the Oakland PD's 858 figure taken from a database that has been called unreliable for such reporting by its own administrators.

Going by his figures, Oakland has a huge gang problem, and more gang members than L.A per capita. If you can find a more reliable source. Let me know.

LOL, all of this back and forth flip-flopping and damage control because you refuse to acknowledge that Los Angeles has a much worse gang problem than Oakland? Wow. Your agenda in this debate is really painfully obvious.

[DocGoldstein]

Can't acknowledge something that isn't true. Like I said, find a better source than I did, and perhaps your point will rise to the top. But as it is now, the stats show that Los Angeles isn't worse off as you tried to paint.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Nineties Flava

LOL, all of this back and forth flip-flopping and damage control because you refuse to acknowledge that Los Angeles has a much worse gang problem than Oakland? Wow.

Yes, and it isnt even close. Los Angeles' history and present situation with gangs far outsizes anything Oakland has as far as gangs.

In fact, LA-OC has 83,000 gang members vs 858 in Oakland.

[pfasciana]

Originally Posted by Nineties Flava

The fact of the matter is that Oakland does not have black gangs and Los Angeles does, point blank period.

that's not what seagram said. he was an O.G. i think i trust his opinion more than yours, no offense.

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by pfasciana

that's not what seagram said. he was an O.G. i think i trust his opinion more than yours, no offense.

But maybe that's not "gangsta rap", it's "turf crew rap", so it makes it all better.

[Natural510]

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

But maybe that's not "gangsta rap", it's "turf crew rap", so it makes it all better.

I'll take your word for it, with all your many years of living in Oakland.

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by Natural510

I'll take your word for it, with all your many years of living in Oakland.

You don't have to take my word for it. You have an "OG" spelling it out for you right there Mr. Ohio.

[Nineties Flava]

Originally Posted by pfasciana

that's not what seagram said. he was an O.G. i think i trust his opinion more than yours, no offense.

... No offense but if you have any idea who Felix Mitchell is and where Seagram is from you'd know how much of an out-of-towner you sound like right now.