Where do you see these Bay Area cities in 20 years? (San Jose: crime rate, house)

[HockeyMac18]

Originally Posted by Sierrajeff

"Hipsters" will be as quaint a term in 20 years as "yuppie" is today. Maybe in 20 years the 'it' crowd will be "HSters" (because they all use HSR to commute from their organic farmlets in the Central Valley), or "tuppies" (because they all use that new-fangled teleporter to get around, leaving the poor and unwashed stuck on Muni...

Speaking of which, in 20 years Muni will be ... pretty much exactly the same as it is now. With no new infrastructure on the drawing board, other than finishing the Central Subway to Chinatown, it's pretty much guaranteed that nothing else new will be in existence by then. Which is sad, because we need to extend the Central Subway to North Beach and Fisherman's Wharf, and then maybe turn to the Marina... and we need a 2nd line through SoMa (to deal with both the congestion on the Market underground, and the increasing population density in SoMa)... and a subway out Geary, maybe turning south around 25th to Daly City & BART. All are eminently needed *now*, let alone 20 years from now... but unless someone starts the planning process today (then interminable public meetings, then initial plans, then EIR, the EIR appeals, then revised plans, then a revised EIR... etc!), none of it will be present 20 years from now.

It's kind of amazing that after the central subway, I haven't seen anything for future MUNI plans. At least a concept, or a "we'd love to have this" kind of thing. Too bad. As you rightly point out, if they're not even planning something now, we can be certain it won't be built in 20 years, since concept to built system/extension can take multiple decades.

[Dave Coe]

Originally Posted by Sierrajeff

"Hipsters" will be as quaint a term in 20 years as "yuppie" is today. Maybe in 20 years the 'it' crowd will be "HSters" (because they all use HSR to commute from their organic farmlets in the Central Valley), or "tuppies" (because they all use that new-fangled teleporter to get around, leaving the poor and unwashed stuck on Muni...

Speaking of which, in 20 years Muni will be ... pretty much exactly the same as it is now. With no new infrastructure on the drawing board, other than finishing the Central Subway to Chinatown, it's pretty much guaranteed that nothing else new will be in existence by then. Which is sad, because we need to extend the Central Subway to North Beach and Fisherman's Wharf, and then maybe turn to the Marina... and we need a 2nd line through SoMa (to deal with both the congestion on the Market underground, and the increasing population density in SoMa)... and a subway out Geary, maybe turning south around 25th to Daly City & BART. All are eminently needed *now*, let alone 20 years from now... but unless someone starts the planning process today (then interminable public meetings, then initial plans, then EIR, the EIR appeals, then revised plans, then a revised EIR... etc!), none of it will be present 20 years from now.

I just visited the Powell Station at 10pm and it was empty.

[calicoastal]

I feel the transit priorities are: electrify Caltrain, extend Caltrain to the Transbay Terminal, extend Caltrain over the Dumbarton to Fremont, extend BART to San Jose/Diridon, connect BART to Transbay (or at least create a pedestrian tunnel), and have timed transfers of Caltrain/BART at Transbay, Millbrae, Fremont, and Diridon. Then you could get nearly anywhere around the Bay by train in a decent amount of time (except Marin).

[HockeyMac18]

Originally Posted by Dave Coe

I just visited the Powell Station at 10pm and it was empty.

Go there at 8-10 AM, or 3-7 on a weekday. Or on a weekend day. It most certainly won't be empty. BART and MUNI.

[HockeyMac18]

Originally Posted by calicoastal

I feel the transit priorities are: electrify Caltrain, extend Caltrain to the Transbay Terminal, extend Caltrain over the Dumbarton to Fremont, extend BART to San Jose/Diridon, connect BART to Transbay (or at least create a pedestrian tunnel), and have timed transfers of Caltrain/BART at Transbay, Millbrae, Fremont, and Diridon. Then you could get nearly anywhere around the Bay by train in a decent amount of time (except Marin).

I agree with this.

I might add a second transbay tube somewhere in there, but it's probably REALLY far off (decades away). Most of this stuff are things that should happen in 5-20 years.

[checkup]

Originally Posted by calicoastal

I feel the transit priorities are: electrify Caltrain, extend Caltrain to the Transbay Terminal, extend Caltrain over the Dumbarton to Fremont, extend BART to San Jose/Diridon, connect BART to Transbay (or at least create a pedestrian tunnel), and have timed transfers of Caltrain/BART at Transbay, Millbrae, Fremont, and Diridon. Then you could get nearly anywhere around the Bay by train in a decent amount of time (except Marin).

For the next 5 years, yes. But we also badly need a second BART tunnel from East Bay to SF. That ideally would also come within 5 years, but realistically, is more of a 20+ year project

[Dave Coe]

Originally Posted by checkup

For the next 5 years, yes. But we also badly need a second BART tunnel from East Bay to SF. That ideally would also come within 5 years, but realistically, is more of a 20+ year project

I don't think the 2nd tunnel is necessary. It's more important to extend the central subway and Geary subway. The 2nd tube would go Alameda Island is mostly low density residential.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Dave Coe

I don't think the 2nd tunnel is necessary. It's more important to extend the central subway and Geary subway. The 2nd tube would go Alameda Island is mostly low density residential.

It would go beyond Alameda connecting to the rest of the East Bay and relieve overcrowding on the current tube. Plus many plans for a 2nd tube also include extending BART down Geary Blvd. The Central Subway is a joke in comparison.

[Dave Coe]

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[Ultrarunner]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

Then again, maybe not. As the last semi-affordable part of the East Bay, Antioch-Brentwood-Discovery Bay will pull in quite a few decent people from other parts of the East Bay. I'm talking about people crammed into a Walnut Creek or Pleasanton townhome who want more space and don't mind the drive.

The Section 8 plague that infested Antioch isn't a permanent thing, either. Home owners can opt to end the program at any point in time and, believe it or not, they will. Especially when housing demands go up!

At that point, the ghetto element will have no choice but to up and move. Stockton, Sacramento, Reno...anywhere they are building new homes, they will go!

Section 8 generally cannot opt out... what you can do as a Landlord is choose not to accept Section 8 when a unit becomes vacant.

At one time I managed a number of low income rentals with a good percentage in Oakland.

When Section 8 became portable after one year of residency... many on the program choose to move and the top 3 destinations were Antioch, Hayward and Vallejo....

I still manage many of the same rentals and have one last legacy Section 8 tenant in Oakland... all the former Section 8 rentals are mostly occupied by those that left San Francisco.