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Old 08-08-2014, 01:43 AM
 
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That is great news to hear . I had a bad experience in DFW without a car and that is one of main reasons for moving to SEA
Er, well, Seattle will be a big improvement. Welcome!
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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That is great news to hear . I had a bad experience in DFW without a car and that is one of main reasons for moving to SEA
Some comparisons between King County Metro and DFW (2012):

Bus boardings:

KCM: 115 million
DFW: 38 million

Boardings Per Revenue Hour:

KCM: 31.9
DFW: 17.7

Passenger Miles Per Revenue Hour:

KCM: 11.0
DFW: 5.2

Operating Cost Per Boarding:

KCM: $4.25
DFW: $6.32

Operating Cost Per Passenger Mile:

KCM: $0.99
DFW: $1.50

Farebox Recovery:

KCM: 29.0%
DFW: 13.4%

http://metro.kingcounty.gov/am/repor...son-report.pdf

Even if planned transit cuts go through (not a certainty), Seattle and King County will still be WAY AHEAD of Dallas.
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Old 08-08-2014, 12:50 PM
 
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Some comparisons between King County Metro and DFW (2012):

Bus boardings:

KCM: 115 million
DFW: 38 million

Boardings Per Revenue Hour:

KCM: 31.9
DFW: 17.7

Passenger Miles Per Revenue Hour:

KCM: 11.0
DFW: 5.2

Operating Cost Per Boarding:

KCM: $4.25
DFW: $6.32

Operating Cost Per Passenger Mile:

KCM: $0.99
DFW: $1.50

Farebox Recovery:

KCM: 29.0%
DFW: 13.4%

http://metro.kingcounty.gov/am/repor...son-report.pdf

Even if planned transit cuts go through (not a certainty), Seattle and King County will still be WAY AHEAD of Dallas.
kind of a moot comparison. Dallas has a small rail line and a few buses, but its mostly isolated. Fort Worth buses and transit is pretty non-existent. There is one train that goes from Dallas to Fort Worth downtowns and crosses the airport and that in itself is very limited. People here in DFW dont even talk about public transportation and many of them are unaware of what/where it even goes.
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Old 08-08-2014, 12:53 PM
 
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great info ,thanks all , what is the most affordable among those neighborhoods where someone can leave without a car , and what is rent average for 2 BR
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Old 08-08-2014, 02:16 PM
 
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great info ,thanks all , what is the most affordable among those neighborhoods where someone can leave without a car , and what is rent average for 2 BR
Centrally-located 2 beds might start around 1600*, but closer to 2000 is probably more typical. Of course it goes up from there.
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Old 08-08-2014, 04:21 PM
 
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Looks like the City will be putting a measure on the ballot to limit in-city transit cuts, so the biggest impacts of the cuts will likely be in the County.

Transit service in the city's core areas is excellent, with many of the routes electric trolleybuses. Light rail currently runs between downtown and the airport, but is being extended under Capitol Hill to the U District. Best living-without-a-car areas: Capitol Hill, Queen Anne, U District, Ballard.
Also: Maple Leaf, Ravenna, University Village, some parts of Northgate, and Lake City.

Electric trolleybuses? They removed those back in the 60's or so. Are they back?
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Old 08-08-2014, 04:22 PM
 
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great info ,thanks all , what is the most affordable among those neighborhoods where someone can leave without a car , and what is rent average for 2 BR
Use craigslist to check for rental rates, and enter those neighborhoods. It's best to always check craigslist, because people on the various city forums here tend to estimate high. Also, be aware that rents in the University District and on Capitol Hill are higher than average. There are 2-br. apts. for rent in Lake City for $1200. In the U District they start at $1800.
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Old 08-08-2014, 04:23 PM
 
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kind of a moot comparison. Dallas has a small rail line and a few buses, but its mostly isolated. Fort Worth buses and transit is pretty non-existent. There is one train that goes from Dallas to Fort Worth downtowns and crosses the airport and that in itself is very limited. People here in DFW dont even talk about public transportation and many of them are unaware of what/where it even goes.
Well, that was kind of the point, actually. The OP was complaining about a bad experience trying to live without a car in DFW.
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Old 08-08-2014, 04:24 PM
 
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Also: Maple Leaf, Ravenna, University Village.

Electric trolleybuses? They removed those back in the 60's or so. Are they back?
There's a South Lake Union-to-Downtown streetcar, and several other lines are almost complete.

Seattle Streetcar
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Old 08-08-2014, 04:30 PM
 
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There's a South Lake Union-to-Downtown streetcar, and several other lines are almost complete.

Seattle Streetcar
OK, so they're mostly a work-in-progress, not yet functioning. Thx for the info. "Streetcar", btw, usually refers to a light-rail trolley, not a bus. It sounds like you're conflating the two.
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