Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Washington > Seattle area
 [Register]
Seattle area Seattle and King County Suburbs
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-30-2017, 01:55 AM
 
1,188 posts, read 959,564 times
Reputation: 1598

Advertisements

I've heard some scary predictions that the state government has put out recently, like that 45% of our state's hospitals will collapse (physically) and damages will be $200 billion. But I'm still having trouble understand the bigger picture about how I should plan my life considering that I plan on living here for at least another decade.

(1) To what extent will the local businesses be affected? For example, will Amazon move to another city?
(2) Will new apartment buildings (built in past few years) be able to withstand the quake?
(3) What exact neighborhoods will be engulfed by the tsunami?
(4) How fast would the economy be able to rebuild itself? A matter of a couple years or a matter of a couple decades?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-30-2017, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Central Washington
1,663 posts, read 877,615 times
Reputation: 2941
Quote:
Originally Posted by KonaldDuth View Post
I've heard some scary predictions that the state government has put out recently, like that 45% of our state's hospitals will collapse (physically) and damages will be $200 billion. But I'm still having trouble understand the bigger picture about how I should plan my life considering that I plan on living here for at least another decade.

(1) To what extent will the local businesses be affected? For example, will Amazon move to another city?
(2) Will new apartment buildings (built in past few years) be able to withstand the quake?
(3) What exact neighborhoods will be engulfed by the tsunami?
(4) How fast would the economy be able to rebuild itself? A matter of a couple years or a matter of a couple decades?

These questions are all but impossible to answer accurately, as there are a huge number of variables but I'll take a stab at it anyway.


There are dozens of earthquake faults in Washington, but two potentially the most dangerous. One is the Cascadia subduction zone, that runs 800 miles from northern California up to British Columbia. This fault can produce quakes of 9.0 or better about every 300 years, the last one January 26 1700.

The other is the Seattle fault, that runs from Puget Sound under downtown Seattle, east to beyond Issaquah. This can produce quakes up to 7.3, the last one happened between 900 and 950AD. In that quake some areas sank into Puget Sound while others rose; parts of Bainbridge Island were thrust up over 30 feet, and there was a huge landslide from Mercer Island into Lake Washington.

(1)Not a clue. I doubt the businesses do either, they would have to make that call after the quake when they know how much damage occurred, how long it will take to get up and running again, ect.

(2)New buildings *should* hold up better, but nothing is earthquake proof. Too many variables to say for sure. Also, buildings that survive the quake could be destroyed by fire from broken gas mains, as there may be no water for fire sprinklers, hydrants, ect.

(3)I attached a map that shows estimated water depths up to 16 feet, in a magnitude 7.3 quake.

(4)Impossible to know, would depend on how severe the damage is.
Attached Thumbnails
Questions about the coming earthquake-quake3.jpg  
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-30-2017, 07:12 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
44,585 posts, read 81,243,006 times
Reputation: 57825
No one, including the state can predict when or how severe the "big one" will be, but there have been many scientific studies with computer modelling. Apparently a tsunami would bring a wall of water into Elliot Bay, which would inundate Harbor Island, then wash back to the northern end, then continue back and forth until it settled down. In that scenario all of the waterfront would be affected, but the worst would be Harbor Island to Alki, and Smith Cove/Magnolia as in your map. I work on Elliot Bay, and this threat has not affected my enjoyment of working on the waterfront. With the current earthquake standards most newer building should survive, but there are still many old, brick buildings that suffered from the minor deep 6.7 Nisqually earthquake of 2001, that couldn't take anything much stronger. Having been through the 1989 Loma Prieta in California, and seeing the devastation there first hand, I still don't worry about it much, because there isn't anything that can be done about it. It may happen today, or it may not happen until we are long gone.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-30-2017, 09:56 AM
 
1,188 posts, read 959,564 times
Reputation: 1598
Ok, what I'm hearing is "we have no idea", so my best guess is that there's a 50/50 chance my apartment collapses into rubble on top of me.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-30-2017, 10:03 AM
 
Location: PNW
455 posts, read 598,639 times
Reputation: 1100
I'm not going to sugar coat it. A magnitude 9.0+ earthquake, shaking for five minutes, will level the Puget Sound region and basically thrust us back into the dark ages for a year.

The Earthquake That Will Devastate the Pacific Northwest

Read this article, then read the follow up article.

I worked the CSZ exercises this past summer. Yes, if the big one hits, with the predicted strength, it'll be ugly.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-30-2017, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
20,834 posts, read 17,112,746 times
Reputation: 11535
We saw some of this effect in the Loma Prieta Quake. The problem there was homes built near the Marina. Many collapsed (and caught on fire). Large buildings which shook were relatively unscathed. The order of magnitude of a 9.0 will be two keypoints. Depth is the 2nd. Distance is the first.

Within 200 miles of the coast of Washington a 9.0 will devastate much of the infrastructure in the immediate Seattle area and depending upon the length of time in the latter waves will increase destructive force. Not many older buildings will be left standing. Larger skyscrapers built after 1980 should fare ok but plan on falling glass.

The tsunami will devastate Bellingham and the West Coast of Whidbey Island. The safest place to be will be in a home built on rock or substrata above 200 feet.

Survival in any urban area will depend on your preparation and planning. Count on walking or running. If youre at ground level on't attempt to retrieve your car. Know how you will move to higher ground. You should carry 24 hours rations and ways for others to locate you. A small backpack under your desk or in your car really is not that heavy.

Most people die from the water in a tsunami not from the shaking. Don't go below ground to get your car. In a building if the shaking does not damage it stay there and move to upper floors. The tsunami is coming. Don't leave, don't go to the street and if youre able make contact with loved ones. Frequently local towers won't work but long distance signals may get through.

Have a plan.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-30-2017, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Washington state
450 posts, read 550,712 times
Reputation: 643
it is good to have a plan and be prepared for an emergency.

search DNR WA geologic hazard maps there are maps about earthquake zones, fault lines, tsunami effects here.

Most of the Eastside will be a whole lot less affected than Seattle proper generally speaking, if you look over a number of these maps you'll see why. A 9.0 earthquake is nothing to sneeze at and we will all be affected, but I'm happy to be living away from Elliot Bay.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-30-2017, 12:33 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
44,585 posts, read 81,243,006 times
Reputation: 57825
Quote:
Originally Posted by misscross View Post
it is good to have a plan and be prepared for an emergency.

search DNR WA geologic hazard maps there are maps about earthquake zones, fault lines, tsunami effects here.

Most of the Eastside will be a whole lot less affected than Seattle proper generally speaking, if you look over a number of these maps you'll see why. A 9.0 earthquake is nothing to sneeze at and we will all be affected, but I'm happy to be living away from Elliot Bay.
We are at 600' elevation on solid bedrock, and bought where we did with earthquakes in mind. I just have to hope it happens when I'm not at work, or after I retire in 3-4 years. I actually thought about tsunamis when my waterfront office moved from the 3rd floor to the second. The altimeter shows me at 17 feet in my office.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-30-2017, 04:56 PM
 
412 posts, read 386,361 times
Reputation: 228
They say this stuff about California. But look at what HAS happened. Sure Northridge was gnarly with the collapse of a two layer bridge. 1906 was a disaster due to fire. And the one that hit in the World Series was nothing to sniff at. BUT. Look at LA and San Francisco today. And look at Alaska that got one of the biggest ever. Civilization picks up and goes on. Ironic thing is that the homeless in their tents might be safer than the millionaires in their penthouses.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-30-2017, 09:50 PM
 
Location: WA Desert, Seattle native
9,398 posts, read 8,890,692 times
Reputation: 8812
Quote:
Originally Posted by NWarty View Post
I'm not going to sugar coat it. A magnitude 9.0+ earthquake, shaking for five minutes, will level the Puget Sound region and basically thrust us back into the dark ages for a year.

The Earthquake That Will Devastate the Pacific Northwest

Read this article, then read the follow up article.

I worked the CSZ exercises this past summer. Yes, if the big one hits, with the predicted strength, it'll be ugly.
You have been misinformed. A 9.0 subduction quake would be at that strength on the Washington coast. Fortunately, the coast does not have a large population. (Oregon is much more at risk on the coast with greater population there). The Puget Sound region, where Seattle is located, is not the coast. While there will be damage, "level the Puget Sound region and thrust us back into the dark ages" is inaccurate. The tsunami waves even with a 9.0 quake would be greatly reduced by the time they reach Seattle. I am not trying to minimize damage in the Seattle area, but the overly dramatic reports have been denounced by most scientists. The New Yorker article you linked to has been generally debunked, and the follow-up somewhat explains this.

Further this quake may or may not happen in our lifetimes. The general timeline is 300-500 years, but I have heard other predictions of 300-700 years. The last great one was 1700. Do the math and you will see it could happen tomorrow, but could happen a couple hundred years or more from now.

Last edited by pnwguy2; 01-30-2017 at 10:30 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Settings
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2020 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Washington > Seattle area
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:06 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top