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Old 11-18-2016, 05:35 PM
 
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It isn't. Europe is getting their share.
We shouldn't be getting any, based on the issues that Europe is having with their influx of "refugees"
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Old 11-19-2016, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Near a river
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Getting back to the OP in order to avoid any more argument, we had recently family discussion pro and con about buying rural land to build simple year-round family cabins. DH and I are almost 70, so the land obviously would be passed on to our kids.

Many of you here are already on your own land. For my part, though, I would have major reserves on living rural "if our country were invaded." (I take the OP's invasion scenario to mean air and ground forces somehow invading and occupying our country...though I have to wonder which country and how...)

Anyway, going along with the question, my concerns about going rural, in the context of foreign occupation, are primarily regular and safe access to goods and services. You need transportation and for that, gas. As in previous worldwide models of occupations, there are typically armed guard checkpoints on roads throughout the countryside and towns. That may prove to be a big problem in getting what you need.

Living rural during occupation, typically the enemy confiscates everything including locally grown food. You are more visible rural, unless you're deep in the woods. One had better be pretty self sufficient on all levels, food and everything else, to survive a possibly nasty occupation.

Will being armed help? Possibly not, up against an arsenal of enemy weaponry.

Children and teens may not be able to attend school, as in Syria today. Many people would be displaced, depending on the severity of the occupation, roaming from town to town in small or large groups. Preppers would need to make some very tough calls.

It may be that in the case of occupation, staying within a city, head down, is the best bet for people who are not already living off grid in a pretty independent way. I will say, from the perspective of age and fair knowledge of history, that especially younger adults start thinking about what they'd do in any number of scenarios that could well emerge in their lifetimes.
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Old 11-21-2016, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Personally, I quietly hunker down. I've have food/water, equipment and arms to go months without leaving home. I would gather my close, likeminded relatives for support.
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Old 11-26-2016, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Murphy, NC
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I'd buy premium gas for my generator, dust off the ammo, go to mcdonalds or where ever the old timers talk in the morning, get in contact with key people/friends/fam. Get the radios ready, buy a CB radio, batteries, make sure my truck is well serviced, have extra gallons of water lined up in case there's contamination, and probably cancel any non-essential services (netflicks) so I have more money for food, etc.
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Old 11-26-2016, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Many Trump supporters want an "all-white" world, which they fondly and erroneously imagine we used to have.
I'll let that racist comment pass by, and assume what you really mean is the pre-socialist European cultural model where folks tried to bring honor to their family, merit determined one's success, and hard work, scholarship, good manners and genteel behavior were admired, instead of denigrated as "acting White."
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Old 11-26-2016, 05:36 PM
 
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Read the US Constitution to see ALL men's rights. But you MUST adhere to it -- not liberalize it into "a self-serving, anything-thing-goes, basterdized" document. Ha, gimme a break. Why not just have anarchy then, liberals, yes? Venezuela is open for liberal ex-pats desiring more gov't help. Hahahaa.
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Old 11-27-2016, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Log "cabin" west of Bangor
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I'd buy premium gas for my generator, dust off the ammo, go to mcdonalds or where ever the old timers talk in the morning, get in contact with key people/friends/fam. Get the radios ready, buy a CB radio, batteries, make sure my truck is well serviced, have extra gallons of water lined up in case there's contamination, and probably cancel any non-essential services (netflicks) so I have more money for food, etc.
Based on the OP's scenario, the power grid is down so no gas is pumping and McDonald's isn't cooking; power, communication and banking/payment services are down so you aren't 'buying' CBs, batteries, water or getting your truck serviced. You are too late, too late, too late, and, oh, too late.

Got any other bright ideas?
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Old 11-27-2016, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Secure, Undisclosed
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Hypothetical situation so play along with this scenario:

Somewhere in the near future and after some very strong rhetoric by Russia, Iran, N Korea, and/or China our power grid suddenly goes down. Cellular communication and the internet are down too for those who have generators. There's chaos in the streets and word of mouth is that DC and NY have been completely destroyed by nuclear weapons. Highways are backed up with bumper to bumper traffic, there's reports of riots and looting, and word is gas stations and grocery stores are becoming depleted. Enemy aircraft is seen flying high overhead and the distant sound of explosions can be heard.

What do you do in the first 24 hours? How would you prepare? What is your plan for after that?
Okay, first things first. There are about 192 countries in the world, and none of them have an army large enough and the ability to transport it to the US to effectively invade the US. We aren't going to be invaded for the same reason we won't invade Iran. The landmass is simply too large.

If we were invaded (or nuked), we would immediately invoke Article 5 of the NATO treaty. It is on Page 1 of every war plan I've ever seen. Now the bad guys have 28 enemies, not one. And Canada is a member of NATO.

Believe it or not, the US still has MAD (Mutally Assured Destruction) as a key component of its strategic defense policy. If/when DPRK uses a nuclear weapon pre-emptively, it is going to become the northernmost glass factory on the planet. Just sayin'.

Now, those three hard and fast facts aside, here is what is actually possible:

1. DPRK (North Korea) may draw us into a nuclear confrontation. We could lose some cities. That is actually very, very high on the 'what keeps me awake at night' list in Washington DC these days.

2. Much, much more likely, the Internet could go down for a period of time - likely measured in weeks. Although it is not my field of study, my daily briefs are full of reporting that increasing numbers of bad actors are making significant gains in their ability to knock large sections of the Internet off line. When they finally achieve their goals, that means no ATMs, no gas station gas, no credit card usage, no commerce of almost any kind at the domestic level. Desperate people do desperate things, meaning survival might mean defending yourself from your neighbors. (Ouch.)

3. Less likely, but more likely to accompany an attack such as listed in #1 (above) is a power grid failure. Again, not my field, but I understand the US grid isn't the most well-protected asset in North America.

So to play Mr. TailSock's hypothetical, here's what we would do:

First, we would prepare before it happened. That means move to an location that is somewhat distant from large metropolitan areas. Buy a fireproof safe and place $2,000 in $10 and $20 bills in it because credit cards, ATMs and gold Kugerrands will be worthless when you need to buy a loaf of bread or a gallon of gas when the Internet goes down (if you still can). Have a supply of food and potable water that lasts a couple weeks. A generator and gas for it, refreshed annually, ensures electricity for the first week. So we're set for the first 24 hours to two weeks.

Longer than that, we just have to revert to the way things used to be. A water purification system is handy if you live close to a reservoir - we do. Fishing poles for the pond out back and hunting rifles for the mountains over there ensure an ongoing food supply over the long run. Don't need cellular phones to talk to your family - they're right next to you. Not much worried about invading Russians or North Koreans, but should a stray one show up, see previous reference to the aforementioned hunting rifle.

Over a longer period, communities would probably begin to re-form. In our little 25-family community, we have people knowledgable at engineering, construction, numbers (banking and accounting), education, a fireman, at least two medics (one advanced) and three combat vets - one a retired SEAL. We have Moms who are great at raising kids, Dads who are great at hunting, fishing and otherwise providing, and some specialty folks who can suture a laceration, set a fracture or determine what the most defensible position is.

In short, life would go on.
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Old 11-27-2016, 03:52 PM
 
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No one is going to invade America. Being an observant Canadian all I can say is that there are millions of fire arms in the States...it would be like a shaved cat invading a hornets nest.
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Old 11-27-2016, 06:01 PM
 
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We shouldn't be getting any, based on the issues that Europe is having with their influx of "refugees"
If you could get greedy arms dealers and those that sell general war supplies to all the lunatics killing each other....you would not have any refugees.
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