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Old 12-10-2021, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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I'll give you brownie points for persistently side stepping the question.
I answered the question. You do what ever needs to be done to secure your store.
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Old 12-11-2021, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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What are some strategies they can employ--like for example a guard who can punch and button and lock the doors when he sees a gang of hoodlums running toward the entrance. These thefts are going to cost us all eventually. Any thoughts?

I'm sure people have said this in this thread already, but make the consequences a WHOLE LOT HARSHER. These days, they probably, what...just spend 1 night in jail if that & that's it & it's a is misdemeanor.
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Old 05-01-2023, 05:28 AM
 
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Some places are locking up goods now. Others have shuttered their stores permanently in high crime areas. Really, people need to understand that soft on crime policies have consequences that may affect them. Think about who you put in office.
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Old 05-01-2023, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Some places are locking up goods now. Others have shuttered their stores permanently in high crime areas. Really, people need to understand that soft on crime policies have consequences that may affect them. Think about who you put in office.
So tell me how 'tough on crime' shoplifting laws stop shoplifting... Do you think that most people who commit crimes even know what the penalty is, or care? Property crime, which includes shoplifting, in California is lower than it has been at any time since 1960 (PPIC) I've heard some people claim that the problem is the felony threshold of $950 in California but that is really quite low, but only 10 states have a felony theft rate of $1,000 or less, the others are all higher. The felony threshold for shoplifting in Wisconsin and Texas is $2500 but they don't report a higher rate of shoplifting because of it.

Walgreens in San Francisco blamed store closures on shoplifting but when their data was leaked to the public they were forced to admit that in fact shoplifting in those stores was lower than in prior years and attributed the closures not to shoplifting, but to a decision Walgreens had "long-planned" to make, citing a 2019 SEC filing in which the chain revealed plans to nix roughly 200 U.S. stores. https://theweek.com/crime/1020039/di...ifting-problem

There are a few state assembly members who love to wring their hands and opine about how there is no penalty for shoplifting in California under $950 but that is factually incorrect. The penalty for misdemeanor shoplifting is 6 months in jail and a $1000 fine. The problem is that in order for shoplifting to be prosecuted it has to be reported, and that isn't happening and it's hard to see how 'tough on crime' would change that.
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Old 05-01-2023, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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I'm sure people have said this in this thread already, but make the consequences a WHOLE LOT HARSHER. These days, they probably, what...just spend 1 night in jail if that & that's it & it's a is misdemeanor.
nope, the penalty for misdemeanor shoplifting is up to 6 months in jail and a $1,000 fine and it's always been that, the only difference is that the felony threshold used to be $450 and now it's $950.

Did you ever look to see how California's theft rate compares to other states? These are from 2021 but the numbers are interesting. http://https://www.statista.com/stat...e-us-by-state/
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Old 05-02-2023, 01:58 PM
 
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What are some strategies they can employ--like for example a guard who can punch and button and lock the doors when he sees a gang of hoodlums running toward the entrance. These thefts are going to cost us all eventually. Any thoughts?
No store is going to accept the liability risks of having security punch or even restrain people. What happens when they all get to the locked door and there's one guard and 10 hoodlums?

I know you are looking for solutions, I honestly don't know.
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Old 05-02-2023, 02:00 PM
 
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nope, the penalty for misdemeanor shoplifting is up to 6 months in jail and a $1,000 fine and it's always been that, the only difference is that the felony threshold used to be $450 and now it's $950.

Did you ever look to see how California's theft rate compares to other states? These are from 2021 but the numbers are interesting. http://https://www.statista.com/stat...e-us-by-state/
But few get that. I got caught shoplifting in a higher end department store as a teen, 16 or 17, and they just took my picture and told me not to come back. They tried to call my mom but she wasn't home. So they let me leave. This was maybe 1978-1979.
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Old 05-04-2023, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Sunnybrook Farm
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I'd bet places with a Mossberg 12 gauge under the counter don't have a lot of these thefts. At least not after the first one.
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