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obviously it debatable, given most people agree with me, and I'm debating it. you don't back up your position with anything. the owner of the team said it is the team of both Carolinas. Charlotte panthers football comes on numerous radio affliates in SC. they have their training camp in Spartanburg. there is a lot of Carolina Panthers gear for sale in sport goods stores in SC. you don't even respond to these four points.
why it is such a big deal for you if a person in SC thinks the Panthers are the team of both Carolinas. it is cool if you dono't think it is SC's team but you don't get to decide that for everybody.
The team is not located in SC. The owner of the team can say it represents the entire South if he wants, but it doesn't make it true.
I can buy Cowboys gear in SC and watch their games just as easily.
You rarely see Panthers gear in Charleston.
We don't have big enough cities to support local NFL teams, otherwise they'd be called the Spartanburg Panthers.
there is a radio affliante of the Panthers in Charleston. there is Panthers gear in all those sporting goods stores. They not doing fan interaction events at the Panters training camp in Spartanburg if it isn't our team. There are thousands of Panthers fans in SC, more than any other team. i note again you are a recent transplant to the state.
if the owner of the teams says it is the team of both Carolinas, it is SC's team too. it is the Carolina Panthers, not the NC panthers, not the Charlotte Panthers.
You can also say New York City don't a NFL team either, because the Giants and Jets plat across the river in New Jersey. Panthers fan just on the other side of the border, are probably much closer to the panthers stadium than Jets or Giants fan from NYC. But, it's the same metro that they call home.
there is a radio affliante of the Panthers in Charleston. there is Panthers gear in all those sporting goods stores. They not doing fan interaction events at the Panters training camp in Spartanburg if it isn't our team. There are thousands of Panthers fans in SC, more than any other team. i note again you are a recent transplant to the state.
if the owner of the teams says it is the team of both Carolinas, it is SC's team too. it is the Carolina Panthers, not the NC panthers, not the Charlotte Panthers.
Well you just said the Charlotte Hornets is South Carolina's team also. So you just did yourself in on the last statement. The debate is about whether South Carolina has a home based team within its drawn borders which it does not. Dallas just has its training camp in California. Are you gonna say the cowboys is californias team also because the training camp is there? Donald Trump can say he represents Americas thinking but he's losing the polls. In all aspects of this discussion South Carolina does not have a team based in this state which means it doesn't have a team. And that should be the end of the discussion. You're going on a losing streak. South Carolina has a team across the border that represents the state but it is not THE STATES team because it is not in the state. Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, and Rhode Island do not have NFL teams. They have a representative team, the New England patriots but none of those states physically have a team within their borders which means they do not have a team! SOUTH CAROLINA DOES NOT HAVE ITS OWN TEAM!
You can also say New York City don't a NFL team either, because the Giants and Jets plat across the river in New Jersey. Panthers fan just on the other side of the border, are probably much closer to the panthers stadium than Jets or Giants fan from NYC. But, it's the same metro that they call home.
that's a point that I made earlier. by their logic, the New York Giants and Jets are both exclusive NJ teams because the stadium is in NJ.
Part of the Charlotte MSA is Rock Hill and York County. York County is the 7th most populated county in SC. The SC border is about 9 miles from the stadium.
i do not understand why they are thinkign about pro sports teams in terms of states. it is not like the state government has anything to do with the teams. pro sports teams have regional fan bases, basically a circle around the stadium location.
You can also say New York City don't a NFL team either, because the Giants and Jets plat across the river in New Jersey. Panthers fan just on the other side of the border, are probably much closer to the panthers stadium than Jets or Giants fan from NYC. But, it's the same metro that they call home.
They don't. The only team in New York is Buffalo. As SCSUfan said, the Giants and Jets represent New York, but they aren't New York's because they are based in New Jersey. Same way Vermont is repped by the Patriots, yet they are still a Massachusetts team because that is where they are based.
The Panthers represent SC, but they are not SC's team because they are based in North Carolina. It doesn't matter if they are 50 miles from the border or 50 feet.
Again, everyone agrees that they represent South Carolina. No one has disputed that. What pretty much everyone has said is, SC will not officially have a team until a team ends up playing regular home games here. Training camps, radio, tv, Dicks Sporting Goods, the name of the team, the owner, etc does not matter. The point is have or have not, based on geography, which the traditional definition of "having a team" is based on.
SCSU's last post pretty much summed what I've been trying to say since page 1. The discussion really should be over.
if you concede they represent SC, you are conceding it is our team. that's my point. you are arbritraily making it about states, and states have nothing to do with sports team. the point of states is local government. the state of NC did not create the team, it doesn't fund the team.
i would love to see you tell the owner of the Panthers that is only NC's team, because he has said it both Carolina's team. why dispute what the owner of the team says. you can't separate out the fanbase from the team. Charlotte could not support a team on its own. it needs SC fans. The fans in York County are closer to the stadium than most people living in NC.
it makes no sense to say the New York Giants and Jets are not New York's team because the stadium in NJ. so why is 'New York' still in their team names. there is not one person in NY that would agree with you that it is NJ's team only.
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DC has pro baseball team, hockey team, and basketball team within its borders. DC's population is only bigger than two states.
So obviously these teams can't be said just to be DC's team. It is the DC metro's team, which includes areas in Virginia and Maryland.
The Redskins stadium is located in Maryland, not DC, but most people would not say it is only Maryland's team.
If the Panthers were not in Charlotte, I think SC could have a team within its borders. A team physically located in SC would have a similar geographic fanbase as the Panthers have now, if the Panthers did not exist, especially if it is located in the center of the state, the Columbia area.
Last edited by ClemVegas; 10-23-2016 at 10:15 PM..
The point is there's no team in SC. We have to mooch off of a neighboring state with more people in it in order to be represented by a team.
Populated states typically have their own teams. Washington DC and Baltimore both have teams even though they're practically the same metro because they have the population to support it. Every Great Lakes state has its own team. Cincinnati is right on the border with Indiana yet Indiana has its own team. Denver can claim to represent all the Mountain states but it's still Colorados team.
It's typically a huge milestone when a state gets its own team. The entire point of this topic is that it's possible we'd end being a huge populated state with no team.
Getting back to topic, I think the projections fail to account for the the populations of other cities and states growing as well so in relation we still might be a small state. There was a time when Charleston was considered one of the largest cities in the US because it had 15k people in it.
The real question since we know SC's population is based on tranplants, is what happens to those states those people are moving from? Is the Northeast going to turn into a bunch of Detroits?
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