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Nope. Nashville hardly gets any snow in the winter and rarely gets below subfreezing temperatures. St. Louis would be closer to being right in the middle between Chicago and Nashville.
Sure, change the argument to fit your narrative, but STL's winters ARE closer to Nashville's than Chicago's. That's just a fact.
Average snowfall
STL 17.7"
NASH 6.2"
CHI 36.7"
STL delta to NASH 11.5"
STL delta to CHI 19"
Average December/January High/Low
STL 41.5F 25.5
NASH 48.5F 29.5
CHI 33F 19
STL delta to NASH 7F/4F
STL delta to CHI 8.5F/6.5F
So yes, my original argument of STL's being closer to Nashville's than Chicago's are true. Change the argument anyway you want, but that's the truth.
Its not anything like Great Lakes cities in winter. And don't even get me started on summers.
I don't understand your comment. Are you telling me that weather matters more than all those other things combined?
I'm saying that your statement has zero bearing on the argument. It's a common debate tactic. If your argument is full of holes, change the argument to something else.
Sure, change the argument to fit your narrative, but STL's winters ARE closer to Nashville's than Chicago's. That's just a fact.
Average snowfall
STL 17.7"
NASH 6.2"
CHI 36.7"
STL delta to NASH 11.5"
STL delta to CHI 19"
Average December/January High/Low
STL 41.5F 25.5
NASH 48.5F 29.5
CHI 33F 19
STL delta to NASH 7F/4F
STL delta to CHI 8.5F/6.5F
So yes, my original argument of STL's being closer to Nashville's than Chicago's are true. Change the argument anyway you want, but that's the truth.
Its not anything like Great Lakes cities in winter. And don't even get me started on summers.
It's not closer to Nashville by much. Move the snowfall only 3-4 inches up and St. Louis is halfway in between Chicago and Nashville. The temperature distance differences are negligible at best. So I think it's safe to say that St. Louis is in between Chicago and Nashville in terms of winter. You're pretending like it's a much easier picture to paint than it actually is. I'm in agreement as far as summers go. However, there are plenty of Midwestern cities that see summers similar to St. Louis...Kansas City, Cincinnati, Omaha, Indianapolis, etc. I'll agree that St. Louis' summers resemble Nashville more than Chicago, though.
How about an UPSIDE to living in St. Louis. I've been really thinking about this one. The best one I can come up with is the Cathedral Basilica. Fabulous place.
It's not closer to Nashville by much. Move the snowfall only 3-4 inches up and St. Louis is halfway in between Chicago and Nashville. The temperature distance differences are negligible at best. So I think it's safe to say that St. Louis is in between Chicago and Nashville in terms of winter. You're pretending like it's a much easier picture to paint than it actually is. I'm in agreement as far as summers go. However, there are plenty of Midwestern cities that see summers similar to St. Louis...Kansas City, Cincinnati, Omaha, Indianapolis, etc. I'll agree that St. Louis' summers resemble Nashville more than Chicago, though.
STL and KC have similar summers. Indy, Cincy, and Omaha aren't even close. STL and KC summers are statistically more hot and humid than Atlanta, Charlotte, Louisville, Nashville, and Richmond, VA.
Not meaning to start a debate, and the last thread I started here went way off-topic, but I'd really like to know! I have to admit I haven't researched St. Louis extensively, but it seems like a great city on paper. The only cities in the Midwest I really have a thing for are Minneapolis and Cincinnati. STL seems like a more dense version of Cincinnati, am I wrong?
From what I can see...it has a better public transit system than most cities its size, has a variety of neighborhoods with good architecture, a decent nightlife scene, good pro sports teams so long as you're not an NFL fan, etc. That's more than you can say for most cities in this country, yet all I see on City-Data is people not liking St. Louis.
I have heard about the crime. Is it that?
Too many people with a crabs-in-a-pot mentality (i.e. keeping each other down and destroying the progress of someone else just because they have nothing better to do)
Winter: can as cold as the coldest parts of the Arctic
Lots of municipalities competing to steal money from people's pockets by writing tickets on false grounds and setting up speed traps (I mean literally cops bending stop sign posts so you can't even see it then pulling you over for running it--no on seems to ask whether the municipality really needs to exist or whether the attorneys and staff deserve $200K for doing nothing all that productive or useful to society)
Summer: can be as hot as the deserts of Iran.
Lots of undercover bigots who wish it was still 1950 and who aren't necessarily morally, spiritually or economically any better than the people they hate and are often than not far less moral and less productive than those they hate.
Rich people with lots of money who are not only super stingy but have Ph.D. level acumen as to how to be cheap and rip people off. People who will make $50K profit from their business in a day and pay their employees minimum age, and who will blow the $50K on cocaine and a night at the casino before fixing the nasty toilets or replacing nasty carpets and instead of making the workplace better or buying better equipment or the like. (For them not only is blood from a turnip not good enough, but blood of 100 turnips from a single turnip isn't either.)
Low cost of living (apartment rent rates and how much it costs to buy a house) as an excuse to pay you 1/2 or less of what you might make for the same work in New York or Atlanta: as a tactic to keep you from leaving so that you will be trapped for as long as possible.
People working together (in the business sense) is generally frowned upon and 'unheard of'.
"What highschool did you go to?" is a question even adults ask when they first meet.
Highly and overtly racially segregated (someone once suggest that most heavily-Roman Catholic cities are)
City has horrible school system, robbed by segregation program which sent money to the County schools for decades and thusly impoverishing the City school system but the County folks pretend they don't know this and treat the City kids like outsiders as if the City kids were being done a favor when in reality the County schools would not be so fancy and clean and well equipped if not for the aforesaid robbery
County has traditionally robbed Black (and White) families of large tracts of land which they purchased in the late 1800s their progeny (which typically are used to build shopping malls and multi-million dollar homes for as far as the eye can see) but yet that the descendents of those same Black families don't have place to stay or are selling drugs or are economically impoverished and are selling drugs they pretend as if they don't know why
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I've been following Indy, Omaha, Cincinnati, St. Louis, and Kansas City temperatures for almost a decade now. The summers are extremely similar between all of these cities. You're gonna have to do better than your one pathetic source to prove that. Omaha is hot and humid as hell during the summer. So is Indy so is Cincy, to say those places don't have bad summers is to tell a HUGE lie. All three of those cities frequently have temperatures in the upper 80s to lower 90s with high humidity, which is the normal range of St. Louis temperatures. St. Louis has only a few days in the summer where the temps are close to or above 100. You're making our summers out to be like Houston which is also a HUGE lie. I've watched all of these cities closely each day since 2011. There is very little difference. So I don't give a crap about your source. You don't follow the weather like I do. I'm done having this stupid debate. The fact you think Omaha doesn't get extremely hot and humid summers, same with Indy, same with Cincy, shows how little you actually know. Goodbye and good riddance.
NOAA and weather underground both say STL is substantially warmer than Indianapolis for instance over te last decade. During high temp months, the highs are typically 4-5 degrees warmer and the dew point is usually 3-4 degrees higher as well. This may not seem like a lot, but you need to consider that as you move further away from a human being's general ambient temperature comfort level, the amount of stress placed upon people is much higher. For example, going from 70 to 75 doesn't feel like much, going from 80 to 85 feels more substantial and going from 90 to 95 feels like a lot. At some point, when heat is high enough for long enough, researchers even observe higher death rates.
This is the different between Indy and St. Louis. An average high in June (over the last 3 years) in STL might be 86 but 81 in Indy; for July 87 in STL but 82 in Indy; in August 88 in STL but 84 in Indy. Indianapolis gets its hot days too, but a 91 degree day in Indianapolis is about as common as a 95 degree day in STL and so on. It's really the long term effect on people of temperatures and humidity being consistently greater that leads to the greater discomfort. Having grown up in one place (Indianapolis) and having lived in STL for 10 summers, I can tell you there is an obvious difference. My parents comment on it when they visit regularly. When we make small talk on the phone in the summer, they ask how much warmer it is right now. I asked my parents to consider relocating here when the retired a few years ago to be closer to their grandkids. Their response was no way on account of summers being really uncomfortable here. They like the extra winter warmth here, but they aren't keen on the ice issues that are more common here than in Indy. Every single friend from both college here and the transplants from elsewhere in the Midwest/Northeast we have met since returning complains about the heat in the summer compared to Philly, NYC, Columbus OH, Indianapolis, etc.
NOAA and weather underground both say STL is substantially warmer than Indianapolis for instance over te last decade. During high temp months, the highs are typically 4-5 degrees warmer and the dew point is usually 3-4 degrees higher as well. This may not seem like a lot, but you need to consider that as you move further away from a human being's general ambient temperature comfort level, the amount of stress placed upon people is much higher. For example, going from 70 to 75 doesn't feel like much, going from 80 to 85 feels more substantial and going from 90 to 95 feels like a lot. At some point, when heat is high enough for long enough, researchers even observe higher death rates.
This is the different between Indy and St. Louis. An average high in June (over the last 3 years) in STL might be 86 but 81 in Indy; for July 87 in STL but 82 in Indy; in August 88 in STL but 84 in Indy. Indianapolis gets its hot days too, but a 91 degree day in Indianapolis is about as common as a 95 degree day in STL and so on. It's really the long term effect on people of temperatures and humidity being consistently greater that leads to the greater discomfort. Having grown up in one place (Indianapolis) and having lived in STL for 10 summers, I can tell you there is an obvious difference. My parents comment on it when they visit regularly. When we make small talk on the phone in the summer, they ask how much warmer it is right now. I asked my parents to consider relocating here when the retired a few years ago to be closer to their grandkids. Their response was no way on account of summers being really uncomfortable here. They like the extra winter warmth here, but they aren't keen on the ice issues that are more common here than in Indy. Every single friend from both college here and the transplants from elsewhere in the Midwest/Northeast we have met since returning complains about the heat in the summer compared to Philly, NYC, Columbus OH, Indianapolis, etc.
That is quite true. Most of the eastern Midwest is generally milder overall due to geographical proximity to the Great Lakes and prevailing weather patterns. Most of Indiana is milder than most of Missouri in the summer. Last year in southern Indiana we might have had 5-10 days above 90F for high temperatures. STL and KC generally have much hotter stretches of weather with brutal humidity.
Sure, change the argument to fit your narrative, but STL's winters ARE closer to Nashville's than Chicago's. That's just a fact.
Average snowfall
STL 17.7"
NASH 6.2"
CHI 36.7"
STL delta to NASH 11.5"
STL delta to CHI 19"
Average December/January High/Low
STL 41.5F 25.5
NASH 48.5F 29.5
CHI 33F 19
STL delta to NASH 7F/4F
STL delta to CHI 8.5F/6.5F
So yes, my original argument of STL's being closer to Nashville's than Chicago's are true. Change the argument anyway you want, but that's the truth.
Its not anything like Great Lakes cities in winter. And don't even get me started on summers.
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Originally Posted by Chicago76
NOAA and weather underground both say STL is substantially warmer than Indianapolis for instance over te last decade. During high temp months, the highs are typically 4-5 degrees warmer and the dew point is usually 3-4 degrees higher as well. This may not seem like a lot, but you need to consider that as you move further away from a human being's general ambient temperature comfort level, the amount of stress placed upon people is much higher. For example, going from 70 to 75 doesn't feel like much, going from 80 to 85 feels more substantial and going from 90 to 95 feels like a lot. At some point, when heat is high enough for long enough, researchers even observe higher death rates.
This is the different between Indy and St. Louis. An average high in June (over the last 3 years) in STL might be 86 but 81 in Indy; for July 87 in STL but 82 in Indy; in August 88 in STL but 84 in Indy. Indianapolis gets its hot days too, but a 91 degree day in Indianapolis is about as common as a 95 degree day in STL and so on. It's really the long term effect on people of temperatures and humidity being consistently greater that leads to the greater discomfort. Having grown up in one place (Indianapolis) and having lived in STL for 10 summers, I can tell you there is an obvious difference. My parents comment on it when they visit regularly. When we make small talk on the phone in the summer, they ask how much warmer it is right now. I asked my parents to consider relocating here when the retired a few years ago to be closer to their grandkids. Their response was no way on account of summers being really uncomfortable here. They like the extra winter warmth here, but they aren't keen on the ice issues that are more common here than in Indy. Every single friend from both college here and the transplants from elsewhere in the Midwest/Northeast we have met since returning complains about the heat in the summer compared to Philly, NYC, Columbus OH, Indianapolis, etc.
5 degrees is not substantially warmer, I'm sorry. When St. Louis is in the 90s, Indy is in the upper 80s with high humidity as well. I've been observing this pattern for 8 years now and here you are trying to tell me my eyes deceive me. Hardly what I would call tolerable. Indy has been hot as hell over the past 8 summers. I've seen it with my own two eyes. As far as winter difference, Indy is a bit colder than STL and a bit cooler in the summer than STL, but not by much. As far as St. Louis being a warm place in the winter, that's a flat out lie. Our winters are little better than Indys are. All you city-data posters are trying to make St. Louis look like Florida. It's nowhere near that.
Last edited by U146; 05-29-2016 at 05:01 PM..
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