What is wrong with St.Charles County? (Columbia, St. Charles: 2013, felons)

[glamatomic]

As a current North County resident, the families that I personally know who are moving out of the area are doing so because of the school districts, or to be closer to family who has already moved.

I'm sure there are racial motivations for some, but from the people I know, who have moved in recent years or planning on it, the above are the reasons.

[FrankMiller]

Well sure, the damage is done now.

But as I've said before, even in the 80s when capital flight was taking off, nobody actually has to be racist. People just need to think enough other people are racist to believe that the arrival of blacks will drive down property values.

[glamatomic]

FrankMiller- excellent point

[1grin_g0]

Originally Posted by Someboyelse

I can only speak from anecdote, but I grew up in North County, and all my friends lived in North County as well. Maybe 10%, at most, remain, and they are ALL in Hazelwood (bordering St. Charles and getting close to West County).

The thing is this, none of them moved to St. Charles, or West County, or anywhere because it was "Whiter". They nearly all left for jobs in other places, as in "out of the state of Missouri", with a couple moving to the country after they retired.

I know it isn't as fun to talk about, but the truth is a lot of people left North County because the jobs left North County.

Bingo! It is about jobs and little else. The white flight that did occur was mainly from STL City during the 50s, 60s, and 70s. Those racist liberal city folk are to blame. St. Charles is just brought up as a distraction.

[RisingAurvandil]

Originally Posted by 1grin_g0

Bingo! It is about jobs and little else. The white flight that did occur was mainly from STL City during the 50s, 60s, and 70s. Those racist liberal city folk are to blame. St. Charles is just brought up as a distraction.

Yeah, I'm bewildered by the focus on St. Charles. As if South County, West County, and JeffCo weren't sprawling at the same time...

[zach_33]

Originally Posted by 1grin_g0

Bingo! It is about jobs and little else. The white flight that did occur was mainly from STL City during the 50s, 60s, and 70s. Those racist liberal city folk are to blame. St. Charles is just brought up as a distraction.

Whatever - so are you arguing that NoCo has not gone from being majority white to majority black over the last 30 years? The same certainly has not happened in West Co or SoCo. Racist liberal city folk sounds like an oxymoron to me.

[1grin_g0]

Originally Posted by zach_33

Whatever - so are you arguing that NoCo has not gone from being majority white to majority black over the last 30 years? The same certainly has not happened in West Co or SoCo. Racist liberal city folk sounds like an oxymoron to me.

You must not be familiar with Mayor Darst and his disaster known as Pruitt-Igoe. His public housing projects destabilized the city for decades.

JOBS, JOBS, JOBS. White people left North County when the blue collar JOBS left. Nobody is disputing the fact that many of the towns are majority black now.

[blessedandcursed]

LOL, frank miller, your cheese pizza analogy thing was so funny and ingenious! I give you 10 thumbs up!

[FrankMiller]

Originally Posted by RisingAurvandil

Yeah, I'm bewildered by the focus on St. Charles. As if South County, West County, and JeffCo weren't sprawling at the same time...

You're right but St. Charles is an obvious example, because we can easily track its population over time, and it was a popular destination for North County residents. Also, South/West county are still within St. Louis County and therefore contribute to it to some extent, while St. Charles isn't even contributing to the Zoo-Museum District.

[RisingAurvandil]

Originally Posted by FrankMiller

You're right but St. Charles is an obvious example, because we can easily track its population over time, and it was a popular destination for North County residents. Also, South/West county are still within St. Louis County and therefore contribute to it to some extent, while St. Charles isn't even contributing to the Zoo-Museum District.

We can easily track the population of every census tract for decades. St. Charles isn't an outlier in that regard.

If black influx alone caused flight from NoCo, we would not have seen sprawl elsewhere. But...sprawl occurred in all areas, even places that had few blacks. And it continues to occur today. That was my nuanced assertion.

As for taxes, there is nothing unusual about St. Charles. You ought to include Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, St. Clair, and Monroe counties. They are no different from St. Charles County, as they do not levy significant regional taxes. For the record, St. Charles does pay the regional greenway tax, which is minuscule.