07-10-2011, 08:46 AM
Location: US
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What exactly is the "right" evidence. The body of Caylee Anthony was nothing but bones when they found her finally. They put on every piece of evidence they had and put on the best case they could. Just because the evidence they had was not enough in this jury's mind does not mean they did a shoddy job.
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BucFan
If you want to blame anyone, blame the prosecutors or the police investigators/detectives who didn't provide the right evidence to convict or responded to the crime scene in a timely manner when evidence might have been preserved. Also, the the prosecutors didn't have an open and shut case - so needed skills to find a better jury (during selection), and needed to rebute Daez's case to give the jury no other choice but to find Anthony guilty.
07-10-2011, 02:21 PM
Location: SWFL
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BucFan
When it comes to the death penalty/capital punishment, you definitely better have scientific evidence that
directly connects someone to the crime. "She probably did it" using common sense isn't how our legal system was set up.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/op...=1&ref=opinion
Again, here we go with the "scientific evidence that directly connects someone to the crime". Sorry to disagree but you seem to be a victim of the "CSI Effect". As in the Scott Peterson case where DNA evidence directly connecting him to the murder of his wife and unborn child was lacking, the jury considered ALL the evidence and ALL the circumstances and he was found GUILTY. Now, I believe that was an intelligent jury that properly deliberated. Subsequent interviews with Peterson jury members revealed how they CAREFULLY considered everything. Clearly, the Anthony jurors did not even take the time to request to examine ANY evidence presented. Now remorse and the gravity of the ramifications of their decision is being expressed by jurors. Oh, well. Buyer's remorse... It is just beyond me how even ONE PERSON did not stand up and resist what must have been some form of Stockholm Syndrome and say, "Wait a minute! We've got to consider things!" So Casey Anthony was found Not Guilty. That doesn't make her innocent. She is a murderess who got away with it. I pray her life is miserable and that karma will even the score.
07-10-2011, 02:28 PM
Location: tampa bay
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BucFan
Defense doesn't have to prove anything that they offer up - not the way things work. You've got it backwards.
True the defense doesn't have to prove anything. But it is unethical to offer a theory in opening argument when they know full well their client isn't going to take the stand, it confused the jury and blurred the line of what was just conjecture and what was evidence!
07-10-2011, 02:57 PM
Location: SWFL
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Irishiis49
True the defense doesn't have to prove anything. But it is unethical to offer a theory in opening argument when they know full well their client isn't going to take the stand, it confused the jury and blurred the line of what was just conjecture and what was evidence!
Jose Baez did a great job of confusing the jury and he certainly was and is an unethical person. Some might even say a scoundrel... Check out Frank Bruni's article "A Sordid Cast Around Casey Anthony" in today's NY Times Sunday Review.
On Jose---"Expensive dating algorithms haven't produced pairings as apt as his with Anthony". I hope Judge Perry imposes the sanctions he spoke about to Jose. Initially, I just thought Jose was a boob but now that I have learned more about him it appears he is truly a reprehensible individual.
07-10-2011, 03:21 PM
Location: Tampa, FL
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It certainly would be unethical for him to throw out the drowning and sexual abuse stories if they were stories. I don't know what the rules are for attys but you'd think that lying in court isn't what the state bar would expect out of its attys. Appears that he had a "win at all costs"/"ends justify the means" approach. Wonder if he learned that in the St Thomas Law School where he was educated.
07-10-2011, 03:28 PM
Location: tampa bay
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It certainly would be unethical for him to throw out the drowning and sexual abuse stories if they were stories. I don't know what the rules are for attys but you'd think that lying in court isn't what the state bar would expect out of its attys. Appears that he had a "win at all costs"/"ends justify the means" approach. Wonder if he learned that in the St Thomas Law School where he was educated.
I think that's why Baez and company were hoping for Casey to be declared incompetant the last week of trial...I think they were covering their *****%$ and thought they could argue " look as the trial went on she became more unhinged and we realized she couldn't take the stand to back up our opening argument"! Baez is smarter then his bumbling court appearances!!
07-10-2011, 03:30 PM
Location: Tampa, FL
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If she needs a place to live temporarily, I can offer up my house for a few days. I'm sure we can work some kind of "payback plan"
07-10-2011, 03:42 PM
Location: North Pinellas
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GuiltyVerdict
Another thing they didn't look at...Caylee was found with her bedding from her room.....so guess what jury....it was someone in the home that did it! George had no motive, jusy Casey! There was NOTHING to connect George to this murder and we ALL know she didn't drown with duck tape on the skull! She had Caylee's backpack and favorite doll in HER car.......must I go on????? This jury is a disgrace to the justice system. They failed to convict on EVIDENCE and did NOT judge the EVIDENCE!!!!! Pinellas County is the shame of this country to have people in their community that could not find this child was murdered! Oh please!!! Idiots all of them, idiots!!!!!!
Oh that makes a lot of sense...blame a whole county of 916,000 for 12 juror's decisions that were based on lack of evidence....Judging on your name, you made a profile JUST to comment about this case. Really? You need to find something to keep yourself occupied, why not try living YOUR life.
07-10-2011, 03:45 PM
Location: tampa bay
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If she needs a place to live temporarily, I can offer up my house for a few days. I'm sure we can work some kind of "payback plan"
Now remember what your mama told you..."pretty is what pretty does"!
07-10-2011, 03:48 PM
Location: tampa bay
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kdubose
Oh that makes a lot of sense...blame a whole county of 916,000 for 12 juror's decisions that were based on lack of evidence....Judging on your name, you made a profile JUST to comment about this case. Really? You need to find something to keep yourself occupied, why not try living YOUR life.
Yes we are a big county I just think that the most highly educated that should be sitting on the jury pray they don't get called or try to get out of it!I know I used to shudder when I saw any envelope from the county come in the mail!
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Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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