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Also gpa is not a sign of intelligence, understanding or whatever. Just means you know how to "play the game" of school. Also takes a certain degree of drive and focus
As for a teacher mastering there subject... Honestly I do not think its neccesary to have a degree in there field. I would rather a teacher have a degree in teaching and understanding what it takes to teach a person.
Yes they need to understand it. If they are of normal intelligence and dedicated they can understand and master it.
In a lead position I have to learn processes, techniques, etc.... Then teach them to workers. Since everything is pretty new, I have to take the knowledge quickly understand it and help teach and train others, through this I master it.
It admit I am no teacher, but I mastered what I taught by teaching it.
Also gpa is not a sign of intelligence, understanding or whatever. Just means you know how to "play the game" of school.
As for a teacher mastering there subject... Honestly I do not think its neccesary to have a degree in there field. I would rather a teacher have a degree in teaching and understanding what it takes to teach a person.
Yes they need to understand it. If they are of normal intelligence and dedicated they can understand and master it.
In a lead position I have to learn processes, techniques, etc.... Then teach them to workers. Since everything is pretty new, I have to take the knowledge quickly understand it and help teach and train others, through this I master it.
It admit I am no teacher, but I mastered what I taught by teaching it.
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So the requirements for you teach something to employees is less than what a certified teacher has to have.
The bolded are the Education courses that everyone always seems to ***** about. You know, the ones that "have no value and are just fluff". Those ones.
Also gpa is not a sign of intelligence, understanding or whatever. Just means you know how to "play the game" of school. Also takes a certain degree of drive and focus
As for a teacher mastering there subject... Honestly I do not think its neccesary to have a degree in there field. I would rather a teacher have a degree in teaching and understanding what it takes to teach a person.
Yes they need to understand it. If they are of normal intelligence and dedicated they can understand and master it.
In a lead position I have to learn processes, techniques, etc.... Then teach them to workers. Since everything is pretty new, I have to take the knowledge quickly understand it and help teach and train others, through this I master it.
It admit I am no teacher, but I mastered what I taught by teaching it.
First, IQ does correlate strongly with grades in college and even more so with degree attained.
Second, YOUR MASTERY means nothing. I MASTERED the material in my political science courses, that does not remotely make me qualified to teach it.
That idea just doesn't work in secondary school. Besides it is almost impossible to master Chemistry by teaching AP Chemistry. Same for any of the AP and most of the Honor's courses.
There is no point to having a teacher teach a subject when they are completely unable to answer questions at the next level because they have no degree and no content knowledge beyond their current course.
I also teach courses for which no curriculum existed beyond the one which I wrote. If I did not have the content knowledge from both my degrees in my field that would not have been possible.
State requirements? That is what makes a good teacher? Does that work like the state tests we make our students take. That means they have been educated, right?
The FAA required me to be knowledgeable and prove my knowledge in person to an FAA designee that I can master things that haven't been used in aviation since the 20e-30s and 40s
State requirements make a good teacher? I guess a driver license makes you a good driver, Hell most even say it on the license so it must be true.
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It is as good of an indicator as any. Take a group of 100 graduates right out of college. You have to pick one of two groups to teach at your school.
Are you picking the group from the top 20 university or the one that is ranked 100?
If I was FORCED to pick, with no interviews or other subjective criteria to aid me, yes, I would pick those from the top 20 university. But I wouldn't be happy about it.
There are all kinds of horror stories out there concerning people with 4.0 GPAs that were miserable teachers or professors. They just could not relate to kids that had to struggle, even just a little, to understand certain concepts. In turn they lacked personal experience with using certain self-help learning tools, tools that those "other" kids had to use to help them get those C and B grades. But those people with the lower scores, generally speaking, DID have to struggle to get the grades they received and they carry that knowledge with them into their classroom. Plus as we all know, many people don't "test well" for various reasons that have nothing to do with their actual intellectual abilities.
This same concept applies to othe rprofessions. Sports: that star athlete who did so well out on the field? Pffft, couldn't coach worth a darn and had little patience for those that weren't born with the DNA that allowed his awesome eye-hand coordination. Management: boy could that guy write code for XYZ Software Corp! Churned out an entire program with no bugs in less than a week - cool! But he got bumped up to section leader and pissed off just about everyone in less than a day, and partly due to lowered morale in a month overall productivity slipped 17%.
Maybe it's not politically-correct to say this, but not everyone is great at everything.
And just to be clear: I am not saying all high-scoring teaching students will end up being lousy teachers. But just that I don't believe awesome grades guarantee awesome in-class performance.
And if you look at the statistics; if you are the teachers that graduate in the bottom of their class (which is most), then how can you teach students things that you don't understand?
(This is where I am going to try to help fix things. I am going to volunteer to tutor high school students, locally, to make them successful. ). You don't even want to know my credentials, and I will do it for nothing, as from the evidence, i can't do it any worse than paid teachers.
Yes, just look at majors. What is a chemistry major worth? A math major? An english major? Look at what people with those majors could make in industry. It's not the industrial equivalent of teaching you need to look at but the major. Though I could make half again what I make now as a corporate trainer....
Chemistry major: worth a lot
Math major: worth a lot
Most engineering majors: worth a lot
Most Science majors: worth a lot
English/Drama/Art/Sociology majors: I hope they marry well
(BTW, we usually fire corporate trainers first, in tough economic times)
I'm another person that thinks that subject knowledge is only part of what makes a good subject teacher. My husband, a Professional engineer that graduated college with honors is not a good teacher and always drove our kids crazy when he was asked to help with their math homework.
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