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[quote=k350;5050801]Ok, again, what logical reason?
I do not see why someone needs a master degree to teach K-12. quote]
you are right to some degree. Especially because, for example, I have a bachelors in geography, I can go back and get my masters in education and be a teacher. so what's the bachelor in geography for? And also, especially for Kindergarten and 1st through at least 5th grade.
At the same time, i do feel that a masters should be necessary for teachers at the high school level. The subject matter they teach is VERY complex and it is very important that the students understand it as it is the basis for higher learning. A chem teacher should really know his chemistry, and really know how to teach well. If either part is lacking, the students are going to suffer.
I do not see why someone needs a master degree to teach K-12. quote]
you are right to some degree. Especially because, for example, I have a bachelors in geography, I can go back and get my masters in education and be a teacher. so what's the bachelor in geography for? And also, especially for Kindergarten and 1st through at least 5th grade.
At the same time, i do feel that a masters should be necessary for teachers at the high school level. The subject matter they teach is VERY complex and it is very important that the students understand it as it is the basis for higher learning. A chem teacher should really know his chemistry, and really know how to teach well. If either part is lacking, the students are going to suffer.
I agree that a Masters shouldnt be needed for elementary but yes H.S. is a different ball game! I guess my point is there are so many people out there who would make great teachers but cant afford college tuition etc.. there should be a way for them and it would also help the teacher shortage.
I just had this discussion with a friend. She has an associates and would love to teach but of course you need a Bachelors. I wathinking wouldnt it make since to allow those with an associates to train to become a provisional teacher as long as they are enrolled in a BA program and the state they live in would pay for it. In return they would have to work for that state for a certain amount of time? what are ur thoughts?
To get back to the original topic, I think your idea could be a good one if the provisional teacher spent some months shadowing and working in an accomplished teacher's classroom first, and receiving the ongoing support of a mentor in the school in addition to taking their ed courses outside of school. I also think it should not be a program open to anybody - provisional teachers would have to interview and make a strong case for their inclusion in the program, and be monitored on an ongoing basis.
Yes, it is called student teaching and takes at least 2 semesters of your undergrad work, before you graduate.
Dawn
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To get back to the original topic, I think your idea could be a good one if the provisional teacher spent some months shadowing and working in an accomplished teacher's classroom first, and receiving the ongoing support of a mentor in the school in addition to taking their ed courses outside of school. I also think it should not be a program open to anybody - provisional teachers would have to interview and make a strong case for their inclusion in the program, and be monitored on an ongoing basis.
If there is a career you really want, you will find a way to get it. Many, many states (like mine in NC) offer FREE college for all 4 years, provided you agree to teach for the 4 years immediately following graduation.
Do some google searches, there are all sorts of programs out there, Teach For America comes to mind.
Dawn
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I agree that a Masters shouldnt be needed for elementary but yes H.S. is a different ball game! I guess my point is there are so many people out there who would make great teachers but cant afford college tuition etc.. there should be a way for them and it would also help the teacher shortage.
To get back to the original topic, I think your idea could be a good one if the provisional teacher spent some months shadowing and working in an accomplished teacher's classroom first, and receiving the ongoing support of a mentor in the school in addition to taking their ed courses outside of school. I also think it should not be a program open to anybody - provisional teachers would have to interview and make a strong case for their inclusion in the program, and be monitored on an ongoing basis.
Although doesn't a teacher on a provisional certificate count against a system under No Child Left Behind? The provisional teacher is not considered "highly qualified".
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I like the move towards requiring teachers to hold master's degrees. Then again, I'm coming from a state where high school football coaches additionally teaching chemistry classes is an accepted and common practice.
I am not sure what state you are in, but many private schools will allow you to teach with an Associates degree or less. The school I worked in in NH had one teacher in a K-3 program with no degree whatsoever. Private schools get to make their own rules about credentials, so the requirements are often less.
My sister's best friend (with a Bachelors in Geography) is currently teaching first grade in a parochial school without a teaching certificate. (since she failed the test twice) People always think that private schools are "better", but really the teachers can have very little college experience.
That being said, how hard is it to teach a group of elementary students? I hear the same argument about homeschooling: how are you qualified to teach your own kids? If you can have a bachelor's degree in ANYTHING and still be able to teach, how is that helpful? How are you "qualified"? All teachers need to know is how to read and have good crowd control skills in my opinion!
That being said, how hard is it to teach a group of elementary students?
You are not serious, are you?
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