10-08-2010, 11:38 AM
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I don't know about Shelby Co, but in Hamilton Co there is a ban for the whole summer (May-September). People burn anyway, but if they were my neighbors, I'd turn them in. That's just insane.
10-08-2010, 11:47 AM
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hiknapster
This was in a very small town of about 2,000, I think, in northwest TN at the KY border. As I said before, Knox County will come and put out the fire, whether you paid the fee or not. And in Knoxville, firefighting is paid through your taxes.
Yes, I know. I probably wasn't clear in my post. I was just trying to show that, big or small, a town or county can fine the resident who didn't pay his fee instead of letting his home burn.
I watched this video of a speech made by the neighboring Fire Chief, Bob Reavis. It takes 26 minutes to watch, but explains a lot. Please note that he says "Praise the Lord for the Federal Government."
He blames the family for not paying the subscription, but he added that he doesn't agree with the way they're handled. He says that this isn't anything new and that at least 30% or more of homes in his area could burn down because of this program, since many people aren't paying the subscription fee.
I'm still confused about why the pets died. The fire must have spread very quickly. The first thing I'd do if I saw a flame in my house is get all people and pets out.
Correction: The Fire Chief said it took a while for the fire to spread.
The Fire Chief also didn't answer what would have happened if a baby was burned to death because the 911 Operator said they weren't on the list of residents who paid their subscriptions. To me this is a really good example of what can happen with limited government intervention.
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I want to mention that someone asked how long it takes to check the subscription list. The Fire Chief agrees that it takes valuable time since a fire can spread quickly. (what if the computers are down? what if someone forgot to enter the correct address?)
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10-08-2010, 12:41 PM
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When one uses enough-----what if's --- they might succeed making the fire dept the villan and the jerk who started the fire the good guy.
10-08-2010, 12:45 PM
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How entitled are people who think they should get whatever they want without paying into the system?
10-08-2010, 12:46 PM
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justNancy
Yes, I know. I probably wasn't clear in my post. I was just trying to show that, big or small, a town or county can fine the resident who didn't pay his fee instead of letting his home burn.
I watched this video of a speech made by the neighboring Fire Chief, Bob Reavis. It takes 26 minutes to watch, but explains a lot. Please note that he says "Praise the Lord for the Federal Government."
He blames the family for not paying the subscription, but he added that he doesn't agree with the way they're handled. He says that this isn't anything new and that at least 30% or more of homes in his area could burn down because of this program, since many people aren't paying the subscription fee.
I'm still confused about why the pets died. The fire must have spread very quickly. The first thing I'd do if I saw a flame in my house is get all people and pets out.
Correction: The Fire Chief said it took a while for the fire to spread.
The Fire Chief also didn't answer what would have happened if a baby was burned to death because the 911 Operator said they weren't on the list of residents who paid their subscriptions. To me this is a really good example of what can happen with limited government intervention.
Neighboring Chief Speaks Out About Fire Service
I want to mention that someone asked how long it takes to check the subscription list. The Fire Chief agrees that it takes valuable time since a fire can spread quickly. (what if the computers are down? what if someone forgot to enter the correct address?)
If his home and his pets and his family were so important to him, WHY DIDN'T HE PAY THE DANG FEE?!!!!
10-08-2010, 12:51 PM
Location: Chicago
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Its terrifying to know they would have let a baby burn to death in there too.
They've already made it clear, several times, that their policy is to intervene no matter what if human life is at stake. So you can drop the theatrics already.
10-08-2010, 02:45 PM
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They've already made it clear, several times, that their policy is to intervene no matter what if human life is at stake. So you can drop the theatrics already.
...and how did the 911 operator know this for certain?
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Originally Posted by
stan4
If his home and his pets and his family were so important to him, WHY DIDN'T HE PAY THE DANG FEE?!!!!
He should have paid the fee - no question about it. His son also shouldn't have been so careless burning trash. However, what about common decency?
The more I learn about the actual course of events, the more I question the entire story. I didn't realize this was a doublewide. The national news said "modular" which is different. I lived in a 12 x 60 singlewide for many years and had 2 fire extinguishers. Only a fool would burn trash near one. In any case, letting a house burn down is a cruel punishment, even for a moron.
Regarding the pets, I didn't blame that on the firefighters in my last post. I was asking why the pets weren't rescued immediately
by the owner when the fire began. The Fire Chief said it took a long time for the fire to spread. When I first posted, I didn't realize how the fire started, since the news had been changing by the hour.
10-08-2010, 03:01 PM
Location: Chicago
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...and how did the 911 operator know this for certain?
Gee I dunno, maybe they, like, asked?
10-08-2010, 03:06 PM
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Gee I dunno, maybe they, like, asked?
Well, then I guess you're admitting that they knew 4 living creatures were in the house?
10-08-2010, 03:27 PM
Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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Well, then I guess you're admitting that they knew 4 living creatures were in the house?
??? They probably asked if there was any
one in the house, I doubt they bothered to ask about animals.
By the time the fire trucks got there the blaze was probably pretty well under way. If it were
your spouse, or child, or parent responding to this fire would you really expect them to risk their lives to save an animal?
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People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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