If Perry runs for President, would you vote for him? (Plano: bill, residency)

[Cathy4017]

Originally Posted by The Gribbler

And in 2004 it was "It's Bush, stupid", but that wasn't enough. You have to have a strong candidate to comprehensively oppose his policies and show that he/she is the better person for the job. Even if you're a hardcore conservative, looking objectively there's no GOP candidate who can probably do that.

At this point in time, I'd have to agree with you, however sick it makes me to my stomach.

[High_Plains_Retired]

Originally Posted by The Gribbler

Even if you're a hardcore conservative, looking objectively there's no GOP candidate who can probably do that.

Granted that conservatives are notorious for gathering their marbles and going crying home to mama when they don't get everything they want but Perry has at least verbally attacked Obama and his economy-killing policies. I wouldn't trust the party-jumping Perry as far as I could throw him but this fiscal and social conservative will vote for him if that's all we get. That's all the OP asked.

[Palpatine]

I rather vote for Spiro Agnew.

[el borracho]

No ,didn't Texas Monthly say he's all hat n no cattle

[EasilyAmused]

Originally Posted by The Gribbler

You probably don't know many "liberals" then. And the polls in all of the battleground states are at odds with your beliefs.

Beg to differ. I even went to a cocktail party in my neighborhood for Mayor Anice Parker.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

I suppose I would if our only other option was David Duke.

[doctorjef]

Originally Posted by EasilyAmused

Most everyone I know, whether conservative liberal tea party etc., is voting Anyone But Obama. So I guess if Perry is the GOP winner, then he will get voted for. That's pretty much how he's won in Texas anyway. He's not any worse than anyone else up there.

That's a particular Texas pathology. Don't suppose that the majority in other states suffer from the same idiocy. Texas, much of the South, and a few other very conservative states may go for the Repug nominee in 2012; Texas will be the only pro-Repug state that has a large number of electoral votes to contribute (with the possible exception of Florida, but the Repugs may frighten the Florida senior citizens into voting Democratic).

[GlobalistPotato]

Alex Jones released a video about Rick Perry and basically shows that Perry is another establishment GOPer like Bush.


YouTube - ‪Rick Perry Announces Presidential Run‬‏

"[Rick Perry] is counting on your ignorance. He's counting on you to buy into his packaging of a 'Texan' and of a 'Patriot', when all Rick Perry will do is give Texas and America a bad name, and he'll betray you just like George W. Bush and Barack H. Obama. And he'll ensure that somebody like Ron Paul, who doesn't have the fancy hair of Rick Perry, but has the Constitutionalist record is defeated. If you so-called 'Rhino Conservatives' buy into Rick Perry, you'll get what you deserve, just like you 'Obamanoid' idiots."

That and Rick Perry has been a flip-flopper.

[die Eichkatze]

Originally Posted by doctorjef

That's a particular Texas pathology. Don't suppose that the majority in other states suffer from the same idiocy. Texas, much of the South, and a few other very conservative states may go for the Repug nominee in 2012; Texas will be the only pro-Repug state that has a large number of electoral votes to contribute (with the possible exception of Florida, but the Repugs may frighten the Florida senior citizens into voting Democratic).

Change Texas to (insert favorite liberal state here), and "the south" to "the northeast" or "west coast", insert democrat instead of "repug" and you have 2004....It is not just a Texas thing or a "repug" thing.

FYI republicans...it didn't work out so well for them in 2004, so hopefully republicans will nominate someone worth getting behind.

[doctorjef]

As I recall, Americans got buyer's remorse almost as soon as they had installed Bush II in his second term. Were Perry to win the Republican nomination, I frankly don't think the majority of Americans would vote for another abrasive Texan in the general election. The memories of G W Bush are too fresh and Perry is not a likeable character, at least to the majority of people living in regions of the country outside Texas and the South. It will also be easy to impugn Perry's record. This can be done on many levels, from the more serious failings of his leadership to his ill-considered demagoguery such as making remarks about Texas' putative ability to secede from the USA. Would publicising such a statement really garner voter sympathy for Perry's presidential candidacy? Would pitting Texas against the rest of the country look good for a candidate for POTUS? Perry can be made to look dangerous. By contrast, Obama is a known quantity. Only a few hotheads and nutters think him dangerous at this point, even if a larger number of the electorate are disappointed in his leadership (both those on the right and on the left, for quite different reasons).

You should also forget about squandering a primary vote on Ron Paul. He's attractive only to a small number of the far right or radical laissez faire libertarians. His political programme won't fly in the general election.

Only a Texan Republican who came across as politically moderate, had a record that verified his/her actual political moderation, and did not appear too overtly Texan - unlike Bush or Perry, or these days LBJ for that matter - could possibly win a general election for POTUS at this juncture.