Dallas and Fort Worth separate economic and population stats (Houston: discount, activity)

[JimBaker488]

Originally Posted by afoigrokerkok

FW could rightfully be called the anchor of an area with about 1.25-1.5 million people.

Yea, that's basically what I'm saying here.

[afoigrokerkok]

Originally Posted by JimBaker488

Yea, that's basically what I'm saying here.

My argument is that the area does not, for practical purposes, include most of eastern Tarrant County.

[afoigrokerkok]

Originally Posted by peterlemonjello

Re-read my post Jim. I said that the census doesn't measure it and they don't. Those projections aren't from the census.

Go to the ACS and try to pull the demographic data from the separate divisions. You can't. You used to be able to.

As far as I can tell they do still use metropolitan divisions.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...13/b-13-01.pdf

It would have had to be a pretty quick change.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by afoigrokerkok

As far as I can tell they do still use metropolitan divisions.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...13/b-13-01.pdf

It would have had to be a pretty quick change.

The census doesn't provide demographic measurements for the two any more even if they list the separately. They did used to. Look at the ACS page and you'll see what I mean.

[JimBaker488]

Originally Posted by peterlemonjello

The census doesn't provide demographic measurements for the two any more even if they list the separately. They did used to. Look at the ACS page and you'll see what I mean.

So you are trying to delegitimize a major American city and it's surrounding area/suburbs because of a few technical changes made by some statisticians ?

[Fillmont]

Originally Posted by JimBaker488

So you are trying to delegitimize a major American city and it's surrounding area/suburbs because of a few technical changes made by some statisticians ?

No one is demeaning or belittling Fort Worth by saying that Dallas-Fort Worth acts as one metro area. The name is Dallas-Fort Worth, after all. No one (well, no one sane) is saying that Fort Worth is a suburb to Dallas. Yes, there is a degree of independence between the two halves, but there is so much interconnectivity now that it's impossible to claim that they are two distinct metros in the same way DFW and Houston are two distinct metros.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by JimBaker488

So you are trying to delegitimize a major American city and it's surrounding area/suburbs because of a few technical changes made by some statisticians ?

Um, where did I say that? Calm down man.

Miami and Fort Lauderdale are one Metro area, does that mean Fort Lauderdale isnt its own city? No. They just grew into each other and now the line is so blurry it cant be defined. The same happened to Dallas and Fort Worth. That doesnt mean Fort Worth is a suburb.

[AfroAmericanofColor]

Originally Posted by peterlemonjello

Um, where did I say that? Calm down man.

Miami and Fort Lauderdale are one Metro area, does that mean Fort Lauderdale isnt its own city? No. They just grew into each other and now the line is so blurry it cant be defined. The same happened to Dallas and Fort Worth. That doesnt mean Fort Worth is a suburb.

Neither Plano nor Irving are suburbs either. Garland and Mesquite are suburbs. Allen is a suburb. Plano and Irving are principle cities. Think of Houston. Both Katy and the Woodlands are located just too far away to be considered suburbs of Houston. Still, they don't have near the development around them right now as do Irving and Plano. I would think Katy will become symbiotic with the I-10 energy corridor in Houston. The Woodlands is just now separating itself from Houston though I do think it is already impacting the area around it. Conroe is fast becoming a suburb of The Woodlands as is the Spring area to the south of it in Houston.

Even McKinney is developing as a symbiotic part of Plano. In terms of where Dallas ends and North Dallas begins. I think Dallas ends at Preston Center along the North Dallas Tollway and at the Presbyterian Medical Center along the Central Expressway Corridor. Everything north of that is part of what is North Dallas. For example, as Texas Instruments is part of the Richardson Telecom Corridor, the old Park Central development (the Dallas version of Greenway Plaza) is to Texas instruments what Greenway Plaza is to the Galleria area in Houston.

As Houston has already incorporated The Woodlands agreeing to allow it to remain separate for the time being, the best it can ever be is a principle area of Houston. However, Katy can develop into a principle city in its own right spawning its own suburbs and having little to do with Houston in the future.

[JimBaker488]

Originally Posted by AfroAmericanofColor

Neither Plano nor Irving are suburbs either. Garland and Mesquite are suburbs. Allen is a suburb. Plano and Irving are principle cities. Think of Houston. Both Katy and the Woodlands are located just too far away to be considered suburbs of Houston. Still, they don't have near the development around them right now as do Irving and Plano. I would think Katy will become symbiotic with the I-10 energy corridor in Houston. The Woodlands is just now separating itself from Houston though I do think it is already impacting the area around it. Conroe is fast becoming a suburb of The Woodlands as is the Spring area to the south of it in Houston.

Comparing North Texas and the Houston area in terms of the different municipal components is clearly comparing apples and oranges. I'm not sure but I believe that other than Houston there's not any city over say 125K in the entire metro, while North Texas includes Dallas (1.1 M) Plano (300K), Fort Worth (750K), Arlington (400K).
So Houston metro is a classic metro anchored by a central city which is far larger than any other suburb in it's area while North Texas is entirely something else again.

[TexasTallest]

Originally Posted by JimBaker488

Comparing North Texas and the Houston area in terms of the different municipal components is clearly comparing apples and oranges. I'm not sure but I believe that other than Houston there's not any city over say 125K in the entire metro, while North Texas includes Dallas (1.1 M) Plano (300K), Fort Worth (750K), Arlington (400K).
So Houston metro is a classic metro anchored by a central city which is far larger than any other suburb in it's area while North Texas is entirely something else again.

THIS. ^^^

according to Wikipedia...

Five "principal" cities are designated within Houston–The Woodlands–Sugar Land metropolitan area:
Houston – 2,242,193
The Woodlands - 93,848
Sugar Land – 80,704
Baytown – 70,330
Conroe – 55,429

so The Woodlands is the second largest city in the Houston metro, with less than 100,000 people... in comparison here is the list of cities in the DFW metro with over 100,000 people from Wikipedias DFW page.

Dallas (1,207,420)
Fort Worth (757,810)
Arlington (365,860)
Plano (261,900)
Garland (228,060)
Irving (218,850)
Grand Prairie (176,980)
Mesquite (139,950)
McKinney (136,180)
Frisco (125,500)
Carrollton (121,150)
Denton (115,810)
Richardson (100,450)

13 cities in the DFW metro are over 100,000 people. Houston has ONE (Houston).