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In the meant time, what to do about Canadian born criminais(that doesn't involve racial profiling)?
Nowhere did I even mention racial profiling but given the relatively low Canadian crime rate in comparison to the States, I would say Canadians are doing a pretty good job of dealing with their low lifes.
Nowhere did I even mention racial profiling but given the relatively low Canadian crime rate in comparison to the States, I would say Canadians are doing a pretty good job of dealing with their low lifes.
I know you didn't. I was referring to other posts that have advocated racial profiling. I should have been much more clear about that. Sorry.
On another note, I wouldn't mind living in Canada myself. It is interesting. The USA has the death penalty, and uses it, and for some reason, there is still more violence in alot of USA cities compared to Canadian cities. I live in the metropolitan Atlanta area(albeit a small town an hour from Downtown Atlanta). Atlanta's violent crime rate has dropped alot since its days as the murder capital(in 1995, Atlanta had 50 murders per 100,000. It was even worse in 1990 with 64 murders per 100,000). It is around 17 murders per 100,000 today. However, Toronto's murder rate pales in comparison to Atlanta.
I know you didn't. I was referring to other posts that have advocated racial profiling. I should have been much more clear about that. Sorry.
On another note, I wouldn't mind living in Canada myself. It is interesting. The USA has the death penalty, and uses it, and for some reason, there is still more violence in alot of USA cities compared to Canadian cities. I live in the metropolitan Atlanta area(albeit a small town an hour from Downtown Atlanta). Atlanta's violent crime rate has dropped alot since its days as the murder capital(in 1995, Atlanta had 50 murders per 100,000. It was even worse in 1990 with 64 murders per 100,000). It is around 17 murders per 100,000 today. However, Toronto's murder rate pales in comparison to Atlanta.
LE racial profiles laws can lead a nation on a slippery slope, a combo of social shaming & shifting the cost of incarceration on the perps or their parents would be a more effective strategy, IMHO.
LE racial profiles laws can lead a nation on a slippery slope, a combo of social shaming & shifting the cost of incarceration on the perps or their parents would be a more effective strategy, IMHO.
The way I see it. If racial profiling really worked, then crime rates(at least in alot of American cities) would be much lower than it is now. For every criminal you catch using racial profiling, there are still many more criminals who haven't been caught.
About incarceration, I would say change the way incarceration works. For many criminals, incarceration is actually better than their lives on the outside. This is how prison was meant to work. You were punished for committing crimes against society and made to live outside of society, your freedom taken away from you for a few years, not only as punishment, but to repay your debt to society.
However, gangs act as a society unto themselves. People who feel that they are on the periphery of society, those persons feel that there is no incentive to live a crime free life. In many gangs, going to prison gives you status in the gang. In many prisons, gangs control the prisons. Prison becomes like another society into itself. The original intent of prison is thwarted because alot of people already operate outside of what the public would call society.
And the parents need to get involved. If the parents aren't involved, then problems will continue.
The way I see it. If racial profiling really worked, then crime rates(at least in alot of American cities) would be much lower than it is now. For every criminal you catch using racial profiling, there are still many more criminals who haven't been caught.
About incarceration, I would say change the way incarceration works. For many criminals, incarceration is actually better than their lives on the outside. This is how prison was meant to work. You were punished for committing crimes against society and made to live outside of society, your freedom taken away from you for a few years, not only as punishment, but to repay your debt to society.
However, gangs act as a society unto themselves. People who feel that they are on the periphery of society, those persons feel that there is no incentive to live a crime free life. In many gangs, going to prison gives you status in the gang. In many prisons, gangs control the prisons. Prison becomes like another society into itself. The original intent of prison is thwarted because alot of people already operate outside of what the public would call society.
And the parents need to get involved. If the parents aren't involved, then problems will continue.
Yes, especially the black fathers. According to Toronto Life 1 in 4 Toronto families is headed by a single parent. But in the black community, nearly 50 % of the children live with a lone parent, and 80 % of those are female.
The same issue was raised by President Obama in the U.S. and by Bill Cosby --- all the black fathers that disappear and are not involved in their kid's lives.
Yes, especially the black fathers. According to Toronto Life 1 in 4 Toronto families is headed by a single parent. But in the black community, nearly 50 % of the children live with a lone parent, and 80 % of those are female.
The same issue was raised by President Obama in the U.S. and by Bill Cosby --- all the black fathers that disappear and are not involved in their kid's lives.
Is there still a situation in Canada of women from the Caribbean coming alone for work? I believe that was the case for many women from Caribbean decades ago and some would bring their children with them, if I'm not mistaken.
There are some socio-historical differences between the Black communities of both countries. So, the dynamics are a bit different. I do wonder if there is a similar pattern for Black folks in the Martinez provinces and SW Ontario, where the roots and culture is more like Black American roots/culture.
Yes, especially the black fathers. According to Toronto Life 1 in 4 Toronto families is headed by a single parent. But in the black community, nearly 50 % of the children live with a lone parent, and 80 % of those are female.
The same issue was raised by President Obama in the U.S. and by Bill Cosby --- all the black fathers that disappear and are not involved in their kid's lives.
And in the USA, it is even worse. 72% of Black kids are raised by a single parent. In the state of Wisconsin, this is around 8 out of every 10.
There are people bringing this issue to terms. If we can solve this issue, we can solve the crime issues. The parents, and especially the fathers need to step up.
Is there still a situation in Canada of women from the Caribbean coming alone for work? I believe that was the case for many women from Caribbean decades ago and some would bring their children with them, if I'm not mistaken.
There are some socio-historical differences between the Black communities of both countries. So, the dynamics are a bit different. I do wonder if there is a similar pattern for Black folks in the Martinez provinces and SW Ontario, where the roots and culture is more like Black American roots/culture.
I don't know if that is still the situation about women from the Caribbean finding entry to Canada easier than the men, although the article does mention that.
In the article it mentions that often the expectations for these fathers is that they will not stick around. It also mentions problems with unemployment, incarceration, and not being able to provide for a family. The majority of the "gangbangers" interviewed for the article were not married to the women who had their children who often had different moms. Also the men in the article were very young fathers: age 15 to 24. So these young single men may lack parenting skills, even basic ones, and may lack the inclination and patience to spend time with young demanding children.
Canada does not have the violence-levels of Chicago or Detroit, or any other large American city with a big "ghetto" population....yet.
But as the population of Canadian metro areas shifts inexorably in that direction they soon will.
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