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^^ Cities with most Victorian/Edwardian houses are Melbourne and San Francisco.
Plus, who the hell come to a city to visit Victorian houses? What's so special about them? How many tourists come to Toronto with the mind of visiting Victorian houses in Cabbage town? The number of Victorian houses doesn't make Toronto more interesting, if there are just regular people living in them.
As to entertainment, very weak argument. Nobody will put Toronto ahead of NYC, Miami, Las Vegas, Montreal, Los Angeles when it comes to entertainment. 100% of friends I know do find Montreal to be more fun than Toronto. That's a fact.
Your first statement is WRONG. I stated that Toronto has the most Victorian residential architecture in North America. Having just done a little research, I see I am mistaken. It has the most Victorian architecture, period, in North America. Throw in our Edwardian architecture, and we have a fair bit more than San Francisco. I know it must irk you to think that Toronto has more of anything than any other city, so I imagine you will go out of your way to prove me wrong. Be my guest. As for Melbourne, I could not find any sources that definitively stated whether Toronto or Melbourne had more Victorian/Edwardian architecture. They both have a lot.
Second, I don't believe that anyone mentioned Toronto's architecture as being part of its entertainment value, or said that anyone came here strictly to look at our residential architecture. However, admiring the architecture of cities one visits is quite normal for many people. Maybe on the planet you hail from this is not the case, but on Earth many people do take an interest in architecture when visiting cities.
Finally, when you say "nobody will put Toronto ahead of....", please replace "nobody" with "I" or "me and my friends", because you are clearly speaking for yourself, and in just about every post of yours I can dig up, you go out of your way to slam Toronto for just about everything, so why would entertainment be any exception? You make many blanket statements, like Toronto comes no where near X city in X, but you never provide examples to back up your assertions. You were the first one in this thread to compare Toronto's entertainment to other North American cities, but only for the purpose of showing how far down the ladder you think we are. You, who admittedly doesn't even leave the downtown, should have little to nothing to say about Toronto's entertainment offerings, since you wouldn't really know of anything that existed west of Spadina, east of Yonge, or north of Bloor.
Toronto is definitely underrated among certain people on this forum who have never been here, and among certain people who live here and are convinced that the grass is greener in just about any other major city. Most people who visit the city for the first time are pretty blown away and left with the impression that this is a MAJOR world city.
In terms of overall "entertainment" of all types, I think the vast majority of other North American cities (except NYC and LA) would range from rather lacking to downright dull compared to Toronto. Montreal might be just as good in some areas, but overall Toronto has it beat.
In terms of overall "entertainment" of all types, I think the vast majority of other North American cities (except NYC and LA) would range from rather lacking to downright dull compared to Toronto. Montreal might be just as good in some areas, but overall Toronto has it beat.
Do you actually believe this? You would say places like Mexico City, Panama City, Guadalajara, Chicago, Miami, Las Vegas, San Francisco, Boston and Philadelphia would be lacking or downright boring compared to Toronto?
The way people talk about how sterile, generic and boring Toronto is you'd think it's basically a larger and safer version of Indianapolis or Oklahoma City. I find it a very fun and interesting city that actually has a unique character all its own.
I think it just gets hate because it's a fairly new city, not even being especially large until the 1960s-70s and growing extremely rapidly since then. I think people mistake emerging character for no character. No Toronto isn't Paris and it doesn't have many centuries of history, but I actually find it exciting for that very reason. You feel like Toronto's history is still being made when you're there. That its golden age is yet to come.
The neighborhoods in Toronto actually have a slight grit to them. I'd say it's a bit like Philadelphia meets Portland. Also the idea Tdot is a "live to work" city is somewhat overstated, sure there's a lot of banking and corporations there but there's tons of hippies and hipsters there too. It's actually a great city to be lazy in if you are resourceful and home ownership isn't that important to you.
It probably is a lousy city for dating though. When I went there last year I went to a rave and not a single girl talked to me.
RAVE ? That says everything. There are no girls at raves- just drugged up chicks on coke and E...I think you are hanging out with the wrong crowd. Our city's neighborhoods are not gritty...There are some very fine upper and middle class hoods..as for history...The city has lots of beautiful historic buildings dating back to the early 1800s...some beautifully restored and cherished. Hippies? They are gone - most cut their hair and run corporations...and live in million dollar homes...Hipsters....a tiny minority. Toronto is a complex town with many varied cultural areas. You really can not make an accurate judgement of the city unless you visit ALL of it.
Do you actually believe this? You would say places like Mexico City, Panama City, Guadalajara, Chicago, Miami, Las Vegas, San Francisco, Boston and Philadelphia would be lacking or downright boring compared to Toronto?
You seriously need to get out more.
I don't know about the Mexican and Central American cities you listed (wasn't really considering them, should have been more specific), but as to the American cities cities you listed -- yes, I do seriously believe that. Toronto offers a wider breadth of options, and there's simply more going on.
Toronto is definitely underrated among certain people on this forum who have never been here, and among certain people who live here and are convinced that the grass is greener in just about any other major city. Most people who visit the city for the first time are pretty blown away and left with the impression that this is a MAJOR world city.
Anybody who would come to Toronto and leave thinking it is a World Class City on par with the likes of New York has never been to one. The reality is that there really are only three other cities in the world in the same category as NYC: London, Paris and Tokyo. You would have to be a brain-dead bumpkin with the IQ of a golf shoe to think that Toronto belongs anywhere near this list.
Seriously, what are you comparing? Live theater? Shopping opportunities? Museums? Iconic buildings? Comedy clubs? Do you honestly think Toronto can compete with New York on any of these levels?
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I don't know about the Mexican and Central American cities you listed (wasn't really considering them, should have been more specific), but as to the American cities cities you listed -- yes, I do seriously believe that. Toronto offers a wider breadth of options, and there's simply more going on.
More entertainment options than Chicago and Las Vegas? LOL! Thanks for the laugh, buddy.
You know, it's strange. I never see so much talk about whether or not a city is over or under rated as I do on this Toronto board. Most cities are just happy to be what they are. They strive to improve, but they never question their identity or fret about how the world thinks of them. People who live here should be happy for what they have. They live in one of the most interesting, dynamic, and fastest-growing cities on the continent. That's all that really matters. If non-residents underrate that city, that's their problem. Most of us who live here know we got a good thing going, and are happy to live here. We don't need to compare ourselves to any other city to measure our relative worth, or tie ourselves in knots to prove that we are a top-tier city. Let the haters hate while the players play is what I say.
RAVE ? That says everything. There are no girls at raves- just drugged up chicks on coke and E...I think you are hanging out with the wrong crowd. Our city's neighborhoods are not gritty...There are some very fine upper and middle class hoods..as for history...The city has lots of beautiful historic buildings dating back to the early 1800s...some beautifully restored and cherished. Hippies? They are gone - most cut their hair and run corporations...and live in million dollar homes...Hipsters....a tiny minority. Toronto is a complex town with many varied cultural areas. You really can not make an accurate judgement of the city unless you visit ALL of it.
Plenty of gritty nabes in Toronto, and plenty of hippies and hipsters, too.
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