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Old 02-17-2013, 12:13 PM
 
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So the murder rate in Canada is relevant to a discussion about tourism in Mexico, yet you don't feel the murder rate in Mexico is relevant to a discussion about tourism in Mexico. That's some logic you are using there.
Not exactly. I'm saying that a tourist in Mexico within a tourist resort is in no more danger than they would be at home. Comparing overall murder rates lumps the average tourist in with a who lot of bad people who get killed while doing bad things. Big difference.

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Really? Please reread what you posted above.

This discussion is truly becoming painful to continue.
Buh bye.

FYI, friends of mine from TO just left this morning for Mexico. I'll let you know when they get back safe and sound.
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Old 02-17-2013, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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FYI, friends of mine from TO just left this morning for Mexico. I'll let you know when they get back safe and sound.
I am friends with a Canadian soldier who just returned safe and sound from Afghanistan. Maybe you should try vacationing there.
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Old 02-17-2013, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Murrieta California
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In 2011, the murder rate in Mexico was 24 per 100,000 citizens. By comparison, the 2011 murder rate in the United States was 4.8 per 100,000 citizens.

To say that the murder rate in Mexico is no different than in the United States is incredibly naive at best.

Caveat emptor.
I agree with you on this one.
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Old 02-17-2013, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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Years ago I decided against going there. I'm not a resort person. I can't see spending money just to stay sequestered inside a resort ~ I want to be out exploring the culture and the life. My brother-in-law went to Mexico once with a family from Guadalajaro and they warned him that he had to stay with them at all times when they were out and about.
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Old 02-17-2013, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Murrieta California
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Yes, tourists have been killed in the US. However tourists being killed at a resort is far more common in Mexico than the US or Canada. In fact it is extremely rare in the US and Canada. Having said that, you are still pretty safe staying at a resort in Mexico. In fact the greatest danger at Mexican resorts are the Timeshare sales people.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:19 AM
 
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In 2011, the murder rate in Mexico was 24 per 100,000 citizens. By comparison, the 2011 murder rate in the United States was 4.8 per 100,000 citizens.

To say that the murder rate in Mexico is no different than in the United States is incredibly naive at best.

Caveat emptor.
And murder rate alone doesn't give the whole picture.

Just like in the USA, most murders involve domestic violence, gang killings. Even tourists aren't always immocent people who just got murdered for no reason, some tourists get involved in drug deals and purposely put themselves around the worst kinds of people.

The murder rate that matters to most people would be the stranger-on-stranger murder and crime. Most homicide in Mexico, just like in the USA is targeted, bad drug deals, domestic violence and gang vengence.
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:44 PM
 
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And murder rate alone doesn't give the whole picture.

Just like in the USA, most murders involve domestic violence, gang killings. Even tourists aren't always immocent people who just got murdered for no reason, some tourists get involved in drug deals and purposely put themselves around the worst kinds of people.

The murder rate that matters to most people would be the stranger-on-stranger murder and crime. Most homicide in Mexico, just like in the USA is targeted, bad drug deals, domestic violence and gang vengence.
Yep. This is exactly what matters to me as a potential visitor, matters in my hometown, as well.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:17 AM
 
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Yep. This is exactly what matters to me as a potential visitor, matters in my hometown, as well.
Yes -- and the homicide rates in Mexico are actually down from what they were back when people thought travel in Mexico was quite safe.

Special report: Calderón years trail others for Mexico homicides - El Paso Times

What's interesting is how much higher the homicide rate of Mexico was in the 1940s, the 1950s and 1960s. The reality is that the homicide rates in Mexico have always been fairly high but no one thought twice about traveling there in those days. Most homicides involve domestic violence, romantic triangles. Tourists aren't generally targetted, not in the past, and not today.

The cartel violence as bad as it is in places, doesn't actually target innocent tourists. My guess is that for the typical tourist who isn't making drug deals of any kind or caught up in romantic triangles, Mexico is pretty much as safe as it ever was when it comes to homicide.
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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Yes, tourists have been killed in the US. However tourists being killed at a resort is far more common in Mexico than the US or Canada. In fact it is extremely rare in the US and Canada. Having said that, you are still pretty safe staying at a resort in Mexico. In fact the greatest danger at Mexican resorts are the Timeshare sales people.
yep them land sharks are brutal...getting through the airport at Cabo was like running a gauntlet
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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Yes -- and the homicide rates in Mexico are actually down from what they were back when people thought travel in Mexico was quite safe.

Special report: Calderón years trail others for Mexico homicides - El Paso Times

What's interesting is how much higher the homicide rate of Mexico was in the 1940s, the 1950s and 1960s. The reality is that the homicide rates in Mexico have always been fairly high but no one thought twice about traveling there in those days. Most homicides involve domestic violence, romantic triangles. Tourists aren't generally targetted, not in the past, and not today.
We can thank the US media outlests and their "shock factor" reporting on crime in Mexico for creating a relatively new found fear amongst most Americans about traveling to Mexico.
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