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Thanks.. I just find it funny when you trap someone like that and their only recourse is to cuss you out. Heck I even offered to help him file a complaint against the officers, but he never responded to me so I am guessing his story was totally made up to make himself look like the victim.
I would have only have been a victim if I fell for it.
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I would have only have been a victim if I fell for it.
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Here is the reason I don't believe that specific claim you made.
If it truly happened and made you that upset then take some recourse against them. I offered to help find the right contact in the department so you could file a complaint against the officers. Those complaints don't just get thrown out the window, maybe in the old days but not anymore. There is alwasy a check and balance system going on.
The reason most complaints like that just get thrown out is the 'victim' can not control themself and expands the truth to make themselves even more of a victim or everyother word is a cuss word.
So what department did the UC officers work for and what was the location and date. With that information it can be determined exactly who they were very easily and you can calmly talk to their superior if you so wish because these are obviously not the UC Officers we want on the streets if they acted as you indicated.
Just know the transcript from City Data will also be forwarded to that department so they can review what you have said..
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Here is the reason I don't believe that specific claim you made.
If it truly happened and made you that upset then take some recourse against them. I offered to help find the right contact in the department so you could file a complaint against the officers. Those complaints don't just get thrown out the window, maybe in the old days but not anymore. There is alwasy a check and balance system going on.
I am well aware of exactly who to contact. This particular instance was about 18 months ago but I would send details in writing to the department's internal affairs office.
I was also undergoing a severe personal crisis at the time (on the verge of homelessness etc, all well documented here) and just didn't have the time to deal with it. Never home long enough to put anything in writing while my memory was fresh. I know it's a poor excuse, but I just didn't have the time. (Packing/Sorting/Selling, looking for a new apartment, followed by working a lot more to pay for all this...)
This also took place a significant distance from my home - a LONG trip via public transportation was involved - a 60 minute train ride there after leaving work an hour early and a roughly 4 hour trip home when the trains stopped running, barely making the last bus (I was prepared to spend the night).
I really shouldn't have gone to begin with but last chance to see this band for a long time and all that and offering a brief respite from my numerous personal problems.
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The reason most complaints like that just get thrown out is the 'victim' can not control themself and expands the truth to make themselves even more of a victim or everyother word is a cuss word.
Unfortunately I didn't get the name of the officer who tried to hand me the drink, I know I should have asked. I was just thankful to not get hauled off to jail and cited there (they said they do that sometimes) so my next priority was finding myself another ticket and getting in as we were within about 20 minutes of the headliner taking the stage.
It was only a bit later that I started to get really pissed off instead of just relieved. I also had other contraband on me at the time - nothing illegal but would still cause problems. I was ready to assert any constitutional rights if they wanted to search me. Actually once the citing officer ran my name and saw no warrants or even a criminal record his whole demeanor changed, "You're not in any trouble, this is just a bump in the road." It was only just before I was released that the other cops crept in and tried to ambush me.
No problems with the one who nabbed me other than a philosophical opposition to his job at the time.
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So what department did the UC officers work for and what was the location and date. With that information it can be determined exactly who they were very easily and you can calmly talk to their superior if you so wish because these are obviously not the UC Officers we want on the streets if they acted as you indicated.
I am sure they under a lot of pressure to bring in revenue. This is just an extension of that. They were being paid overtime to enforce a box office monopoly on ticket sales for what looked like a money-losing gig. Sure the city would still want to come out somewhat ahead on that.
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Just know the transcript from City Data will also be forwarded to that department so they can review what you have said..
Nah I think I will pass on that, no need to bring my whole posting history into this. There are other things that may potentially cause me trouble with undercover officers further down the road, but an open container in a public place isn't one of them.
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I am well aware of exactly who to contact. This particular instance was about 18 months ago but I would send details in writing to the department's internal affairs office.
It was only a bit later that I started to get really pissed off instead of just relieved. I also had other contraband on me at the time - nothing illegal but would still cause problems. I was ready to assert any constitutional rights if they wanted to search me.
Nah I think I will pass on that, no need to bring my whole posting history into this. There are other things that may potentially cause me trouble with undercover officers further down the road, but an open container in a public place isn't one of them.
Internal Affairs would be a place to start, but there are also many more avenues to go down that the average citizen does not know about.
In reading you admissions I have a better picture as to why you did not take further action.
The officers had every right to stop and pat you down for weapons and in that process if they would have found your "contraband" then it would have been admissable in court. I understand you think you may have the constitutional right to not be 'searched' but I refer you to "Terry v. Ohio" as posted below.
The "contraband" was electronics prohibited by the band and venue. So I don't think I could ultimately be prosecuted but they could have created further difficulties for me. They weren't searching people though, they were just seeing the dollar signs. My priority was getting released, getting another ticket and getting inside. It wasn't until the bus ride home that I started getting really angry.
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I actually did successfully decline consent for patdown when I was stopped about a block from home a few weeks ago. I didn't have anything illegal on me but it was the principle of the matter. He tried to sweet talk me into giving consent but turned me loose telling me if he stops me again it's because it's late out or whatever. It was a bordering city's PD, my city's is highly professional and efficient, when they see I am not on drugs or being evasive, they lose any interest in engaging me further.
I had been waiting for years to see what would happen if I say "I don't consent to a search." At least I didn't get beaten up and have drugs planted on me. But it's no fun being the fish in a fishing expedition.
At least I didn't get beaten up and have drugs planted on me. But it's no fun being the fish in a fishing expedition.
Do you honestly believe that this would happen to you? I know you can google this and that, but seriously, what are the odds?
Policework is one of those jobs where one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch. You get a bad Doctor - and guess what? it's just that bad Doctor. You get a bad Pilot, guess what? It's just that bad Pilot. You get one bad Cop? the whole profession is put to shame. That is BS. I think you've been watching "The Shield" too much.
Do you honestly believe that this would happen to you? I know you can google this and that, but seriously, what are the odds?
Policework is one of those jobs where one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch. You get a bad Doctor - and guess what? it's just that bad Doctor. You get a bad Pilot, guess what? It's just that bad Pilot. You get one bad Cop? the whole profession is put to shame. That is BS. I think you've been watching "The Shield" too much.
I have never watched The Shield. Don't watch much TV at all. I do know people with any authority don't like being told no.
Sting operations are good but when they are just doing it on the small crimes i think its a waste of money and Police time. When doing it on the large scale crimes i don't think anyone would say that they are not good.
The seatbelt law is a sticky issue with a lot of people. I won't go into my personal views on it but I would like you to explain how the cops are breaking the law? I will say it does not sound like the safest way to catch someone without their seatbelt but I see no law being broken.
There are also pedestrian statutes in the State of FL. involved in those statutes are definitions of what exactly a pedestrian is. It makes no distinction or exception that a uniformed law enforcement officer is not a pedestrian, not to mention that in my gf's case they are also profiling. Insurance companies and agencies like the NTHSA have conducted studies and found that in rural areas there are a lot of pickup drivers and they are far less likely to wear seatbelts than some city dweller. I live in the whitest county in the State of Florida- coincedence that the commander of troop C of the FHP in my area is a black?
My last sentence in my original post also applies to other stings, for instance....is it okay for an LEO to sell one a kilo of cocaine in a sting op, isn't it illegal to possess cocaine in the first place? How about the Sheriffs down here who are notoriuos for undercover "work" in nude bars, are they not participating in the same lewd and lacivious behavior they are charging the dancers with?
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