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Old 10-19-2013, 12:41 AM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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I certainly don't know why she did not answer, but I DO know that if the comments by the police preceding this lead me to believe that they were trying to set the parents up to blame them I would not answer either, but I WOULD get a private detective with my own money to investigate, which they did. You know the Mail is capable of only telling half a story, don't you? It's not the most reputable source.

Again, they would not have gotten the private eye if they were guilty. They would have just gone home, glad to put the whole thing behind them. I don't believe, for one moment that these people are guilty. I do think there are things we are not told, though, as in many investigations and by many news sources.
I won't judge them on their lack of reactions after Madeleines disappearance, perceptions by authorities or the public.

How log after Madeleine disappeared were private investigators hired by the McCanns?

Don't the dna findings or response of cadaver dogs raise your eyebrows a bit ?
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Old 10-19-2013, 05:35 AM
 
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Why not hire a private investigator, when you know he/she will come up with no information?
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Old 10-19-2013, 04:36 PM
 
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Why not hire a private investigator, when you know he/she will come up with no information?
That's a good point, if you are all that assured.

I think it would be taking a BIG chance to hire an investigator to solve a murder or abduction case when you, yourself, are the guilty party. I can't think of a case in which that was done.

I don't know how they could have done something and have NO witnesses at all. I think the article has said that the investigator found people who saw this man with a child going towards the water and there were two blond haired Germans waiting near the water.

But, in this case, the investigator DID come up with more information and they have suspects and they have arrested someone, so that's not the case here.

I would like to mention that there are people/cultures in which people just do not wear their hearts on their sleeves. There are a lot of people who carry things inside, do not cry or break down in public, keep a stiff upper lip. There are people who do not fall apart in a crisis and allow police to manipulate them. It does not make them guilty. Doctors are prone not to fall apart in emotionally charged situations and the Brits, in general, are not known for being overly overtly emotional.

I think the public may point fingers at people because they are able to keep their reserve in a crisis, especially if they have some money. Not everything is a Lifetime TV movie.

There is also another thought - that people just don't tolerate loose ends well. We don't like unsolved mysteries. We don't like situations hanging out there with no resolution. So we look for the easiest way out. That's not a good thing to do. Look at Elizabeth Smart, and how many people really were certain that her dad did it.

We can suspect people because their reactions do not seem 'normal' to us, but that should be a far cry from certitude.
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Old 10-19-2013, 08:42 PM
 
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That's a good point, if you are all that assured.

I think it would be taking a BIG chance to hire an investigator to solve a murder or abduction case when you, yourself, are the guilty party. I can't think of a case in which that was done.

I don't know how they could have done something and have NO witnesses at all. I think the article has said that the investigator found people who saw this man with a child going towards the water and there were two blond haired Germans waiting near the water.

But, in this case, the investigator DID come up with more information and they have suspects and they have arrested someone, so that's not the case here.

I would like to mention that there are people/cultures in which people just do not wear their hearts on their sleeves. There are a lot of people who carry things inside, do not cry or break down in public, keep a stiff upper lip. There are people who do not fall apart in a crisis and allow police to manipulate them. It does not make them guilty. Doctors are prone not to fall apart in emotionally charged situations and the Brits, in general, are not known for being overly overtly emotional.

I think the public may point fingers at people because they are able to keep their reserve in a crisis, especially if they have some money. Not everything is a Lifetime TV movie.

There is also another thought - that people just don't tolerate loose ends well. We don't like unsolved mysteries. We don't like situations hanging out there with no resolution. So we look for the easiest way out. That's not a good thing to do. Look at Elizabeth Smart, and how many people really were certain that her dad did it.

We can suspect people because their reactions do not seem 'normal' to us, but that should be a far cry from certitude.

I love reading your posts. Your comments are so sensible and well thought out. A breath of fresh air,
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Old 10-20-2013, 03:44 AM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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That's a good point, if you are all that assured.

I think it would be taking a BIG chance to hire an investigator to solve a murder or abduction case when you, yourself, are the guilty party. I can't think of a case in which that was done.

I don't know how they could have done something and have NO witnesses at all. I think the article has said that the investigator found people who saw this man with a child going towards the water and there were two blond haired Germans waiting near the water.

But, in this case, the investigator DID come up with more information and they have suspects and they have arrested someone, so that's not the case here.

I would like to mention that there are people/cultures in which people just do not wear their hearts on their sleeves. There are a lot of people who carry things inside, do not cry or break down in public, keep a stiff upper lip. There are people who do not fall apart in a crisis and allow police to manipulate them. It does not make them guilty. Doctors are prone not to fall apart in emotionally charged situations and the Brits, in general, are not known for being overly overtly emotional.

I think the public may point fingers at people because they are able to keep their reserve in a crisis, especially if they have some money. Not everything is a Lifetime TV movie.

There is also another thought - that people just don't tolerate loose ends well. We don't like unsolved mysteries. We don't like situations hanging out there with no resolution. So we look for the easiest way out. That's not a good thing to do. Look at Elizabeth Smart, and how many people really were certain that her dad did it.

We can suspect people because their reactions do not seem 'normal' to us, but that should be a far cry from certitude.
I agree with much of your post as far as judging reactions.

Reports from the beginning were of a man carrying Madeleine, descriptions fit Jerry McCann.

The individual arrested was for child pornography, may or may not be connected to the case. He's out on bail.

Edit:
I just read of plans to release a new time line; the original time line was written by Kate McCann, posted in this thread.

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Old 10-20-2013, 05:16 PM
 
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I still have issues how parents can leave 3 kids alone in a bedroom and go out for dinner.

We went on many vacations abroad while we lived in Europe and we had 2 kids...when they were small we wouldn't leave them in the room or condo that we would rent for a week or 2 weeks, by themselves.

We always either took them to dinner or we would stay at the condo, hotel room, etc. We also have been buying food and eating it outside if one of the kids was asleep. Our youngest was 5.5 years younger so the older one could easier go with us but we either went with all of us or not!

Kids can wake up and being scared about the strange surroundings and walk out the door or perhaps a stranger walking in. In most of the vacantion parks there are a lot of employees and usually the cleaning crew has a key and you never know how many have a key.

My kids were too precious for us to leave them and risk something to happen to them and the McCain case is not the first case.

If a parent would leave their kids alone like they did...in the USA it would be child neglect!

Btw i'm not saying they had anything to do with it, and neither am I saying they are not having anything to do with it, since we don't know what happened.
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Old 10-20-2013, 05:53 PM
 
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I still have issues how parents can leave 3 kids alone in a bedroom and go out for dinner.

We went on many vacations abroad while we lived in Europe and we had 2 kids...when they were small we wouldn't leave them in the room or condo that we would rent for a week or 2 weeks, by themselves.

We always either took them to dinner or we would stay at the condo, hotel room, etc. We also have been buying food and eating it outside if one of the kids was asleep. Our youngest was 5.5 years younger so the older one could easier go with us but we either went with all of us or not!

Kids can wake up and being scared about the strange surroundings and walk out the door or perhaps a stranger walking in. In most of the vacantion parks there are a lot of employees and usually the cleaning crew has a key and you never know how many have a key.

My kids were too precious for us to leave them and risk something to happen to them and the McCain case is not the first case.

If a parent would leave their kids alone like they did...in the USA it would be child neglect!

Btw i'm not saying they had anything to do with it, and neither am I saying they are not having anything to do with it, since we don't know what happened.
It is child neglect in most countries. But when you are both doctors with friends in high places ..............
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Old 10-21-2013, 05:46 AM
 
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It is child neglect in most countries. But when you are both doctors with friends in high places ..............
Even if they had nothing to do with Maddies disappearance, having money and social position isn't crime prevention.

I wonder if they'd leave their cash and credit cards in an unlocked hotel room?

What would be the reason for a new time line after almost 7yrs, any thoughts?

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Old 10-21-2013, 07:28 AM
 
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Even if they had nothing to do with Maddies disappearance, having money and social position isn't crime prevention.

I wonder if they'd leave their cash and credit cards in an unlocked hotel room?

What would be the reason for a new time line after almost 7yrs, any thoughts?
Everything from day one sounded weid to me...in the end it most sad to the little girl since we don't know what she had to go through...wasn't she adopted by this family?
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Old 10-21-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Everything from day one sounded weid to me...in the end it most sad to the little girl since we don't know what she had to go through...wasn't she adopted by this family?
That poor little girl, its heart wrenching. Don't know that Maddie was adopted....I'll see what I can find googling.
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