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I have spoken to Patsy for hours and would not call her a syrupy manipulativr speaker at all.
Agree you should follow the evidence. Also should make sure the evidence you are following is true, verified type stuff. Not a blog based on tabloid stories or discredited people.
Which is why I stripped it back.
I read the source documents, including Patsy's own words.
Also paid specific attention to the first people on the scene.
The Ramsey behavior of that day was absolutely inexplicable and implies guilty knowledge.
The note imo, is concrete proof of Ramsey guilt. Incontrovertible.
First let me say thank you for the link. It was a very good find, I rather enjoyed watching it, hearing Patsy and Darnay's voices again. They ARE both deceased, you know. Not sure who made this documentary, don't know the name Piehl. The clips are real as far as I can tell without going back and watching the interviews again. But I won't question those clips, they appear true to me.
The expert reports are clearly some of those bought and paid for by Darnay. As pointed out by John, they do not reflect what was found by experts like the FBI and CBI WHO WERE STUDYING THE ACTUAL RANSOM NOTE. And if you bothered to follow my link to read a fax that went from Darnay to Miller (whose report was NOT included because of that fax) you would know the true values of those reports.
I am happy the misguided 'documentary' was posted.
The images are good. The videos of the body being removed is one I hadn't seen in some time.
The handwriting comparisons were interesting. Just how many ways are there to make a small letter b? I wonder what percentage of people slant their letters like that. Think it has to do with the fact most of us use cursive more than print. At least we did back then if we were old enough to murder someone in 1996.
What struck me and I am being honest here.... as I mother with an album of kid photos, in those the handwring is mine. At least it is for the older children. By the time my baby was born, that changed. My older children helped with our scrap books and photo albums. When my son got his name in a little local paper with his photo (so cute) HE put the clipping in his book and wrote on the page. When the baby's stuff was added, his older sister's writing identified what was happening.
In that tape, Darnay admits she took ownership of other samples. Why weren't THOSE shown? I can tell you why. This is a BORG film and the dead can't sue. Simple as that.
Jameson discusses the Bonita papers in a previous post. I am wondering are these people noted above part of the BORG (the system out to falsely accuse the Ramsey's), too? "To set them up," essentially.
I don't see how Cyril Wecht could be a liar. I'm just not buying that one. His reputation is too stellar.
And, McCann doesn't sound like a quack either. It's their opinion, however, and we can agree or disagree with it.[/quote]
Cyril Wecht has had his integrity questioned in other cases. In this case he believed the police were, at least statistically, right. And he wasn't being invited on Geraldo's program or anywhere else to take a stand except the BORG one. Having said that, we all carry baggage with us and his was being asked to support a certain position to put pressure on known suspects. He never examined her or cared about past family history or the exculpatory evidence. He wasn't in a position to even want to see anything that discredited the position he was ASKED to take.
McCann. READ his part in the Bonita papers. It's clear he was in the same situation.
Remember, Steve Thomas went to Quantico to present Thomas' hypothesis to the fbi. They heard what Thomas read in that new May 15, 2015 documentary. Lou Smit was not allowed to tell the fbi the other side of the story. The didn't get to hear about the exculpatory evidence at all. Is there any wonder they thought the case was essentially solved and were willing to help push those bad parents to confess?
Did you read Lou's resignation letter? You should.
The evidence is out there and Lou Smit's reputation was stellar.
Steve Thomas' hypothesis AS HE TELLS IT ON THAT VIDEO (and note, he is reading it from his book with 'my hypothesis' liberally stated. If he just talks now without reading the book he was already sued for, he can and will be sued again.)
His hypothesis doesn't cover the evidence. It's just his theory and by gosh and golly he isn't about to reconsider...
On the other hand, Lou's does deal with all the facts and now we know the parents HAVE been cleared and the DNA is considered the key to solving this.
How can you not accept the fact that this really was a witch hunt with a group, or gang Iin play?
I make no apologies for that. I am glad the transcript was released. There were a few errors made, transcribers who didn't know names and were in a hurry. But note this, I wasn't accused, I was named and I am the one who told Lin how they got it. I owned the action.
National Enquirer, publication to get the truth out about the Ramsey's.... that's an oxymoron. In defense when asked at the time, why you would sell the story, your response; and I'll paraphrase, a lot of personal expense. In the eyes of the public, there's hypocrisy, showing no more loyalty to Ramsey's than Linda Pugh, who you called, scum.
The family requested several items from the home later, some of which they were taking to Atlanta for the funeral, including clothing for PR, JR, Burke, and JonBenet's body, and an item for the casket. Pam Paugh was supervised by Boulder PD, who made a list of what was removed.
So where's the DNA evidence pointing to the Ramseys? Whose DNA was scraped from underneath JonBenet's fingernails?
I can easily see the family taking out items from the house either without the authorities' knowledge, or completely under their nose - while they were there. Remember, this house was a CRIME SCENE and WAS NOT treated as such in any way. The authorities in this case couldn't find their ***** with both hands. So, I don't believe that they knew what was being removed/had been removed from the house.
Just because no DNA evidence pointed to the R. didn't mean they didn't do it. I believe the body had been cleaned/wiped down when it was found. And, yes, I would like to know whose DNA was scraped from underneath JBR's fingernails as well - the intruder's?! If so, who is this mysterious intruder?! Maybe the source was completely innocuous, and had nothing to do with the crime. I guess we'll never know.
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I can easily see the family taking out items from the house either without the authorities' knowledge, or completely under their nose - while they were there.
You believe that the Ramseys took items out of the home on Dec. 26 while their home was being searched, their phones being tapped, their attention focused on waiting for a phone call from the alleged kidnapper(s), their friends consoling them, and their child's body being found? How would that be emotionally or physically possible? They never left the home that day until it was confirmed that JonBenet was dead and they were ordered to by the police. And they never went back in again.
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The authorities in this case couldn't find their ***** with both hands. So, I don't believe that they knew what was being removed/had bee removed from the house.
"I went in with a listing of things,'' Paugh said, referring to a list of items she wanted to retrieve. "Every place I went, there was a detective. He was with me. He never left my side. He inspected everything. He selected the bags. He packed everything. I didn't pack anything.'' -Pam Paugh
"Pam Paugh went to the home under police supervision and took some personal items with the complete knowledge and permission of the police,'' Furman said. "If Mr. Thomas is trying to suggest she sneaked evidence out without them knowing, it's ridiculous.'' JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case: The Denver Post
They never left the home that day until it was confirmed that JonBenet was dead and they were ordered to by the police. And they never went back in again.
The Mystery of JonBenét Ramsey by Joyce Carol Oates post #833 an article posted by NannyGoat:
In the publication, she says John left the home during the day of the 26th for an hour.I had heard this before, can't speak to accuracy.
The Mystery of JonBenét Ramsey by Joyce Carol Oates. In the publication, she says John left the home during the day of the 26th for an hour.I had heard this before, can't speak to accuracy.
I've read that; someone posted Oates's story on one of the other Ramsey threads here. JR himself refuted it in the transcripts. It's also in Schiller's book that JR remained at the house.
People think he left to get the ransom money. John Fernie left, not JR.
At 3:04, John said "Jonbenet wanted me to take movies, but my battery was dead." This family documented a LOT of things on film, but he didn't make sure his battery was charged for Christmas Day? Was he preoccupied by something?
[No one John saw that Christmas Day, not family, not company, not people he chatted with at the airport, not the large group of people at the Whites' that night. Maybe you think his choice of sock color that day is also some proof of guilt here.
At 6:08, John said, "The police...asked to use our cell phones because theirs were dead, uh, they asked us to do a number of things that required us to leave that room" (the sunroom). NONE of the idiot police don't even charge their phones?
You are getting a glimpse into how unprofessional they were.
At 6:23, John said, "I didn't understand how someone could have gotten in; of course I learned later that one of the doors was found wide open." What door was wide open? Never heard that before.
He is referring to the door from the butler's pantry. That door was close to the baseball bat that has never been linked to any owner. Burke's were accounted for but that could have belonged to a neighborhood kid. Or an intruder. We don't know whose it was.
On the door being open. Some think it was open all night, others think a police officer left it open as he was checking the property. I tend to believe it was the cop because Luther Stanton heard that metallic sound, maybe the grate falling into place. Still, others think the sound might have been the metal bat being tossed off, hitting the brick wall. I really can't clear up that mystery at all.
At 7:21, John said, "I have a vague recollection of telling Linda Arndt that I found an open window with broken glass, but that I perhaps had broken that glass myself months earlier." [Why wouldn't Arndt have investigated that if she had that information? I thought he was CERTAIN he broke that glass; he's described over anI'md over how he had to break the glass to shimmy his way in late one night when he was locked out of the house.
He knew he had broken it months before and hadn't ever checked to see if it had been fixed. Linda Pugh's boyfriend, later husband, Mervin, was supposed to fix it. He had been their handyman before.
At 7:58: John said, "...showed Fleet the broken window, ah, explained to him that I might have broken it myself months ago. Um, showed him the suitcase that I saw under the window, which I thought was very out of place." Again, why didn't he tell Linda Arndt that he thought the suitcase was very out of place and thus could have been a clue?
Who says he did not?
At 10:12, Patsy is asked whether she recognizes the handwriting on the photo. She says, "Not particularly." PARTICULARLY? You recognize it or you don't. She is asked about another handwriting sample, says "Not particularly" again.
interesting line of questioning. Darnay carefully avoided certain questions that could have identified the writer of the captions in the photo album. Interesting.
At 32:39, while being asked very specifically if she killed her daughter, she nods her head "yes" while being questioned, only to shake her head "no" briefly when she says "no." She is breathing very heavily the entire time.
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1) The video shows proof of at least FOUR professional, expert handwriting analysts and linguists who concluded in their official reports that Patsy's writing and the ransom note writing are the same. all hired by Darnay to provide reports that could be used in an interview. Read Carnes' decision, they weren't credible.
2) It also brings up something I've never considered, and that I find very chilling -- that Patsy could have killed Jonbenet without John's knowledge..
Wow, but at least it's movement. Yes, it is another theory.
3) While being interviewed, John seems much more focused, direct, assertive, (justifiably) angry (if he didn't do this), and unwavering in his answers and body language than does Patsy. I've never seen him this angry.
Interesting that you can see that now. Once to open your mind to the possibility someone is innocent you interpret many things differently.
4) While being interviewed, Patsy's body language and vocal tone are not as sharp, to the point of being even slightly casual; she sometimes shrugs and even smiles/flirts slightly when making a joke about how there's "an opening in the middle" of an "O." She does not appear angry. She seems relaxed.
I would be foaming at the mouth in abject, white-hot fury if I were accused of something I did not do -- let alone kill my own child.[/quote]
Patsy and John were always rather 'cordial' with people. Medicated or not, they didn't lose it or blow up. But even though you are commenting on that now, you still think Patsy bashed in her kid's head over a wet bed that wasn't wet that night. Think about that.
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