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At least statehooders can win elections, the only thing independenistas can win is meaningless resolutions from 3rd world dictators and anti-American regimes.
WIHS when are you going to drop the SHTICK of elections. Elections have their place, but they never solve the National interests of a nation.
Obviously, Puerto Ricans will never vote for independence. Sadly, we are so used to handouts that to begin to learn to swim with sharks at this time on our colonial history is hard to do.
I believe that statehood is not the answer, even though for a vast majority of Puerto Ricans it is.
Why? Statehood is a guarantee of not having to struggle too much and having to rely on your own, which many see as corrupt, class conscious and white.
Strangely these folks are also present in the United States, but Americans don't have such a poor self conscious of their own as we do.
What is the answer?
If I could say Puerto Ricans have benefitted from living in statehood, it would also be my pick. Some Puerto Rican's have indeed progressed. One can count them with the fingers of two hands. Puerto Rican's are the worst off hispanics in statehood. They inhabit the poorest district in the United States ( The south Bronx). After generations of living in America they are in competition with Blacks and native Americans for poverty, substance abuse, school dropouts and living in housing proyects , which were never designed for permanent housing. One can say that White Trash folks occupy similar levels HOWEVER, Poor whites know they are entitled by their color to get ahead if they want to.
That is why politicians, all of a sudden are concerned with OPIATE ABUSE a.k.a. drug addiction, like if it never existed. The difference is that it's now an epidemic among poor whites. When Hipanics and Blacks were dying like flies, no one cared.
There is a contradiction here. If, as you say Puerto Ricans are under FULL JURISDICTION of the US Congress and our full Rights begin only when you take a plane to Kissimmee or the South Bronx, that doesn't make any sense. Either it's full citizenship or is its a sham.
About Sovereignty. The Indian nations apparently have some strange kind of sovereignty, negotiated with the federal government a while back, but come on, give me another story.
Finally, the shtick that states have sovereignty is also full of it. In fact this is the constant struggle of States with the federal government and they are loosing it. The federal government practically does what it wants. Strangely in Puerto Rico people love this intervention, the more the better. After all, who distributes welfare?
As time goes on the more federal intervention there is, the more Americans also like it. Take the healthcare bill which roughly 75% only want it fixed, not replaced.
About your take on the POWERS on the island opposed to any change in status, you've got this all mixed up. Puerto Ricans have no powers. The full powers are in Congress. When they decide to solve this problem no colonial in PR can do anything about it, not even voting for statehood or independence a 100% will solve it.
It's all a matter of INTERESTS, not ours , theirs.
again, you are confuse with the constitution that rules you. You are smart and educated try to stay with me because I tried to explain this many times and you are stubborn to comprehend.
Representation in the Federal Congress and electoral voters to pick the U.S. President are not given by the constitution to U.S. Citizenship, its only given to states. Those states give it to their residents who live in their states. That's why each state have their own voting laws and requirements for their residents and they manage it at the state level.
If that's the case then 37 territories that are states today wouldn't ask for Statehood and get their representation in congress and get their electoral voters to pick the President without becoming a state since you believe that comes with citizenship and it doesn't.
Again, your problem is not your U.S. Citizenship......its the location that you live that the rules of the U.S. CONSTITUTION says only sovereign entities under the Union get representation in Congress and get electoral voters to pick the President.
Donald Trump can become a resident in Puerto Rico and he will not have representation in congress or vote for President because Puerto Rico is NOT a sovereign entity under the Federal Union. It has nothing to do with U.S. Citizenship. His citizenship and his U.S. Passport and his Social Security card is the same as all Puerto Ricans born in the island.
I learned that in 7th grade here in 1983 in American Civic classes in Junior High. They don't cover this in the public schools in Puerto Rico or universities which is a shame with all the money the Feds send down there on education because you have many people confusing U.S. Citizenship with the powers the Constitution only gives sovereign entities in the Federal Union in representation at the federal level.
WIHS when are you going to drop the SHTICK of elections. Elections have their place, but they never solve the National interests of a nation.
Obviously, Puerto Ricans will never vote for independence. Sadly, we are so used to handouts that to begin to learn to swim with sharks at this time on our colonial history is hard to do.
I believe that statehood is not the answer, even though for a vast majority of Puerto Ricans it is.
Why? Statehood is a guarantee of not having to struggle too much and having to rely on your own, which many see as corrupt, class conscious and white.
Strangely these folks are also present in the United States, but Americans don't have such a poor self conscious of their own as we do.
What is the answer?
If I could say Puerto Ricans have benefitted from living in statehood, it would also be my pick. Some Puerto Rican's have indeed progressed. One can count them with the fingers of two hands. Puerto Rican's are the worst off hispanics in statehood. They inhabit the poorest district in the United States ( The south Bronx). After generations of living in America they are in competition with Blacks and native Americans for poverty, substance abuse, school dropouts and living in housing proyects , which were never designed for permanent housing. One can say that White Trash folks occupy similar levels HOWEVER, Poor whites know they are entitled by their color to get ahead if they want to.
That is why politicians, all of a sudden are concerned with OPIATE ABUSE a.k.a. drug addiction, like if it never existed. The difference is that it's now an epidemic among poor whites. When Hipanics and Blacks were dying like flies, no one cared.
Here you go again playing the same violin.
Statehood is the best option for many Puerto Ricans because under U.S. LAW it guarantees individual rights and property rights that under Independence it wouldn't get, especially when most Independentistas in Puerto Rico are socialists with marxism ideas that adore Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez that once they get to power they will limit and destroy those things that you take for granted. All you have to do is just listen to the leaders of the independence movement in Puerto Rico like I have for decades and they are telling you and giving hints what model they want to implement in a Republic Puerto Rico once they have full power and it scares the hell out of the majority of the electorate, that's why independence is rejected by 97% of the electorate in Puerto Rico. They see the same scenarios in other Latin Republics and they don't want that.
It has nothing to do with handouts for many of us. I never seen any person progress in life on welfare unless you are committing fraud at a large scale and like they say crime never pays. You progress in life by good work ethic , education, personal responsibility and being in a system that protects your individual rights and property rights from the government and others something the majority of Latin Republic countries lack and many Puerto Ricans don't want that model for them.
That's the reason by grandparents, my parents and myself moved to the states for the opportunities and the freedom to move around this big nation to get to our personal goals and keep what we earn while having our individual and property rights protected.
Statehood is not going to solve every personal problem in everybody's life, that goes for independence or staying a Territory. The government wasn't set up for that and it shouldn't and any politician that tells you he or she can is a con man and a charlatan and we have many of those in our political system in the island and in the states.
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As time goes on the more federal intervention there is, the more Americans also like it. Take the healthcare bill which roughly 75% only want it fixed, not replaced.
where did you pull 75% from? ......if that's the case Hillary Clinton would have won 75% of the states, instead she only won 20 states out of 50 states, which is about 40%.
75% of this country doesn't support Obamacare. Not when their premiums went up over 65% and their coverage cut and limited.
Democrats forgot to tell the public that the working class and small businesses had to pay for most of that......one of the reasons Hillary lost.
the majority of Americans don't want a big welfare state and big intervention from the federal government, they know they have to pay for it in higher taxes.
What happened to the Plebiscite and Statehood? The Tennessee Plan? The The governor came back and completely stopped talking about it. No one in the Pro Statehood Party is talking about it either. It almost feels like it never really happened.
What happened to the Plebiscite and Statehood? The Tennessee Plan? The The governor came back and completely stopped talking about it. No one in the Pro Statehood Party is talking about it either. It almost feels like it never really happened.
What happened with the PDP's plan to define "commonwealth"? What happened to the PIP's plan to get to the UN to force the US to declare Puerto Rico independent? Almost like neither of them happened!
What happened with the PDP's plan to define "commonwealth"? What happened to the PIP's plan to get to the UN to force the US to declare Puerto Rico independent? Almost like neither of them happened!
LMAO!!! they don't mention the other 2 options.
what happened to the "Improved Commonwealth" (PPD dreaming)....you know have independent powers while keeping U.S. Citizenship and keep the federal funds and benefits rolling in the island.....like telling Mommy and Daddy I want to be independent and make my own decisions but you guys keep signing those checks and keep me in your health insurance plan and auto insurance plan and you guys pay my car payment and mommy you keep cooking for me but don't tell me what to do, I want to be independent.
what happened to the PIP's plan to have the UN come to the rescue and force the U.S. to give independence and power to a dying insignificant political party in Puerto Rico who can't even win 1 local election in any "municipio" in the island and the island has 78 "municipios" and they can't even win a simple majority in 1.
What happened with the PDP's plan to define "commonwealth"? What happened to the PIP's plan to get to the UN to force the US to declare Puerto Rico independent? Almost like neither of them happened!
They don't need to. The initiative for Statehood from the Pro Statehood Party is over. They aren't even talking about it any more. The UN already gave the green light for Independence for Puerto Rico completely ignoring the so called mandate for Statehood. ELA is in Victory at the moment without moving a finger. Basically ELA is the big winner, followed by the Independent movement with the UN avail and in last place as the big loser: Statehood. Statehood won nothing with this plebiscite.
They don't need to. The initiative for Statehood from the Pro Statehood Party is over. They aren't even talking about it any more. The UN already gave the green light for Independence for Puerto Rico completely ignoring the so called mandate for Statehood. ELA is in Victory at the moment without moving a finger. Basically ELA is the big winner, followed by the Independent movement with the UN avail and in last place as the big loser: Statehood. Statehood won nothing with this plebiscite.
Nobody in the United States gives a **** what a bunch of anti-American thugs and dictators want or think. This "Decolonization Committee" is filled with tyrannical regimes like Cuba, Iran, Syria, and Venezuela.
They don't need to. The initiative for Statehood from the Pro Statehood Party is over. They aren't even talking about it any more. The UN already gave the green light for Independence for Puerto Rico completely ignoring the so called mandate for Statehood. ELA is in Victory at the moment without moving a finger. Basically ELA is the big winner, followed by the Independent movement with the UN avail and in last place as the big loser: Statehood. Statehood won nothing with this plebiscite.
so if they are the "big" winners, when is Puerto Rico getting the new improved Commonwealth?......when is independence coming so I can buy little raft boats for my friends in the island, they might need it.
ELA the big winner? LOL......Independence 2nd place winner? LMAO!!! Stop it! LOL
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