Why do so much people hate on the Suburbs?? (suburban, Boston, population)
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Or perhaps people dislike being told that places that they live in and are used to referred to as tiny?
I've only been chatting in this forum for about a year, but I figured out some of the mantra's that urbanist love to brag about:
1. They are able to live in 400 sq ft apartments, but only need about 150 sq ft. to use.
2. Wherever they live at, they are only a "10 minute walk from a grocery store" because we know thats the holy grail and deciding factor for where to live
3. If they own a car, they only use it every 18 months
4. Urban areas have different housing styles that aren't boring, unlike the cookie cutter suburbs, because as you know in the urban environment, apparantly twin houses, rowhomes, condos, and apartment buildings don't have the same style or floor plan.
Starting with the tone "What makes you think. . . " yada, yada. This poster didn't say 200 sf per person, but she was implying that MOST couples (and I don't know where that data comes from) live in apartments of ~700 sf. I know this not to be true, simply from my own experiences.
Depends on region, and groups of people. I thought 700 sq ft for a couple would be somewhat typical. I felt the same way… I was wondering how you thought the "urbanist" (which I assume includes me although you say it doesn't) live in spaces that large (or larger than suburbanites) when I've lived in and seen people live in spaces much smaller.
Depends on region, and groups of people. I thought 700 sq ft for a couple would be somewhat typical. I felt the same way… I was wondering how you thought the "urbanist" (which I assume includes me although you say it doesn't) live in spaces that large (or larger than suburbanites) when I've lived in and seen people live in spaces much smaller.
It's pretty impossible to get a good idea on what is "normal." Size of a dwelling depends on SO many variables.
We now have about 340 sq feet per person in my rowhouse (less if we include the cats!), not including the semi-finished basement. It's not cramped, and I don't wish for any more space.
Depends on region, and groups of people. I thought 700 sq ft for a couple would be somewhat typical. I felt the same way… I was wondering how you thought the "urbanist" (which I assume includes me although you say it doesn't) live in spaces that large (or larger than suburbanites) when I've lived in and seen people live in spaces much smaller.
Well, I've never used that particular term; I prefer "Urbanistas". Kind of reminds me of the Nicaraguan Sandinistas! I've seen people in "the city" and the burbs living in all sorts of housing sizes. One person in a 700 sf apt. has more room that we did in our 2000 sf house when we had four people living there. After a while, the kids took up as much space as the adults, too. As to what's "typical", I don't think you can say. Apartments seem to be getting larger; the little DD just looked at some 800 sf 2 BR number recently.
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It's pretty impossible to get a good idea on what is "normal." Size of a dwelling depends on SO many variables.
We now have about 340 sq feet per person in my rowhouse (less if we include the cats!), not including the semi-finished basement. It's not cramped, and I don't wish for any more space.
Having a basement, garage, storage shed, whatever, increases the space one has available, even if it doesn't count as "living" space.
Having a basement, garage, storage shed, whatever, increases the space one has available, even if it doesn't count as "living" space.
True enough, though I don't know its measurements. It's not counted as square footage for real estate purposes in Maryland, probably since you couldn't stand in most basements that were build here before the 40s.
Well, I've never used that particular term; I prefer "Urbanistas". Kind of reminds me of the Nicaraguan Sandinistas!
I always found that rather condescending.
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I've seen people in "the city" and the burbs living in all sorts of housing sizes. One person in a 700 sf apt. has more room that we did in our 2000 sf house when we had four people living there. After a while, the kids took up as much space as the adults, too. As to what's "typical", I don't think you can say. Apartments seem to be getting larger; the little DD just looked at some 800 sf 2 BR number recently.
True, if the one-person apartment is 700 sq ft. I'm used to a lot of single people who live in apartments being in roommate situations, with the apartments typically somewhat smaller than suburban single family home. The apartments getting larger might be true in Denver, could be different elsewhere. Doesn't matter here, since most housing stock (esp multi-family) isn't recent anyway, so new construction won't change things much. I thought you said 750 sq ft was smallish for a one bedroom?
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