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Old 10-03-2012, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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The proposed plan calls for the demolition of 84 percent of the underground structure.

Ok, and how do you think this underground structure should be used right now? Or, better question, who is going to pay for it's upkeep as is? What do you think should happen and when you answer, please provide the financing for your proposal while your at it. Thanks in advance.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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The proposed plan calls for the demolition of 84 percent of the underground structure.

Let me ask you, do you like DC as it is right now? I hope you do, because it's not going to change much over the next 100 years.

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No Land + Height Restrictions + 50 years from now = Stagnant and eventual decline of city (Again)
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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So, you are saying NYC doesn't have a large amount of local, independent shops in business right now? Have you been to NYC? Seems like they don't have a problem doing it, wonder why DC has such a problem? O yeah...I forgot, keep the city at 600,000 people and most importanly, keep the guns on the street by taking potential eyes of them. Is that what you want? Where do you expect the city to grow pray tell? Where are all these wonderful plots of land to build on for new residents? You actually need those for retail to survive you know. Any other city would just build taller building so they can preserve open land, Opps....forgot that's not an option in DC. Any other bright ideas?
Apparently they are finding land somewhere...

600 Units

Trilogy at NoMa (NoMa West)

185 units

50 Florida Avenue

267 units

Louis At Fourteenth : Curbed DC

718 units, 80,000 sq. feet of retail

http://www.hrretail.com/PDF%5CProper...2-29-12eAP.pdf

If they can build 300 unit buildings at 14th and U, then they can certainly build much larger infill projects in SE and NE.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Ok, and how do you think this underground structure should be used right now? Or, better question, who is going to pay for it's upkeep as is? What do you think should happen and when you answer, please provide the financing for your proposal while your at it. Thanks in advance.
There are alternative proposals that scale back the development and still allow for developers to make a profit. But the city (and you) is acting like a 1.5 million sq. foot project is the only feasible option for the site. That's simply not true.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Apparently they are finding land somewhere...

600 Units

Trilogy at NoMa (NoMa West)

185 units

50 Florida Avenue

267 units

Louis At Fourteenth : Curbed DC

718 units, 80,000 sq. feet of retail

http://www.hrretail.com/PDF%5CProper...2-29-12eAP.pdf

If they can build 300 unit buildings at 14th and U, then they can certainly build much larger infill projects in SE and NE.

You just posted a bunch of projects that are being built on open land. Which one of those projects is being built on land where residential buildings where already there? There isn't much open land in DC. You do realize that right. The city was a dump for decades, there may be land now in this 7 years revitalization the city is seeing right now, but that land is going to dry up over the next decade or so. Where do you think we will build in 2050? Can't build up so where should we build? You also didn't answer the question about the reason you think DC commercial rent is so high and how to combat it. Got any ideas?
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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There are alternative proposals that scale back the development and still allow for developers to make a profit. But the city (and you) is acting like a 1.5 million sq. foot project is the only feasible option for the site. That's simply not true.

I think there is a general opinion around the city that there is way to much development going on around the city and many people are upset at the changes. A majority of the city wish things could go back to the way they were in the golden days of the 80's and 90's in DC. When local clothing designers could actually make money and a living. When GOGO bands could play all over the city and infused the region with local culture. What do you think, would you want to go back to that time? Do you like the development happening around DC? What do you want DC to be exactly?
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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You just posted a bunch of projects that are being built on open land.
DC is not starving for open land (or at least cheap land). They demolished the raggedy Boys and Girls Club on W Street to build new condos. They demolished the Nehemiah Shopping Center to build those new condos on 14th Street. You're acting like there's this shortage of transmission shops, used car lots and rib shacks to be destroyed in SE DC and converted into lofts. Give me a break.

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Which one of those projects is being built on land where residential buildings where already there?
Who says they have to tear down residential buildings? Blowing up Hechinger Mall (which I'm sure will happen at some point in the near future) gives you another 1 million square feet to build. Blowing up the Rhode Island Avenue shopping center gives you yet another 1 million square feet to build on. Then there are countless rib shacks, check-cashing joints, liquor stores, and used auto-parts shops that can be purchased, destroyed and slated for redevelopment.

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You also didn't answer the question about the reason you think DC commercial rent is so and how to combat it. Got any ideas?
Destroying a historic site is not going to alleviate upward pressure on rent.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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If Manhattan can create space for new buildings, then I'm pretty sure DC can do it too.

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Old 10-03-2012, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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DC is not starving for open land (or at least cheap land). They demolished the raggedy Boys and Girls Club on W Street to build new condos. They demolished the Nehemiah Shopping Center to build those new condos on 14th Street. You're acting like there's this shortage of transmission shops, used car lots and rib shacks to be destroyed in SE DC and converted into lofts. Give me a break.



Who says they have to tear down residential buildings? Blowing up Hechinger Mall (which I'm sure will happen at some point in the near future) gives you another 1 million square feet to build. Blowing up the Rhode Island Avenue shopping center gives you yet another 1 million square feet to build on. Then there are countless rib shacks, check-cashing joints, liquor stores, and used auto-parts shops that can be purchased, destroyed and slated for redevelopment.



Destroying a historic site is not going to alleviate upward pressure on rent.

And in 2030 or 2040 when everything you just is done, then what do we do? Where do we build then? Or do we just begin to decline again?
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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And in 2030 or 2040 when everything you just is done, then what do we do? Where do we build then? Or do we just begin to decline again?
You just build over the National Mall, Rock Creek Park, the White House lawn and the Capitol Grounds. I'm sure most DC residents cherish density that much.
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