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Old 11-18-2012, 07:02 PM
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I would assume almost everywhere, a family of 4 would like to have a car unless they're extremely cash-strapped. For:

1) Flexibility with children
2) Buying in bulk is more useful for 4 rather compared to less people

That doesn't necessarily that the family would drive everywhere. I don't see how the neighborhood I described below:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/27003423-post166.html

(having many services in a short walking distance) would interfere for a family with kids. Cars are still available, just not required. And the time penalty of walking is small.

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Old 11-18-2012, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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They do sell double strollers. Or, another popular option with many parents, a single stroller with one of those stand-on boards on the back for when the older kid gets tired of walking. I personally find getting kids out the door and into a car to be a bigger hassle than into a stroller. And then once you get OUT of the car you've got to either wrangle them without help of a stroller, or deal with getting them out of a car, into a stroller.

Then again, I tend to walk most places. Dealing with kids on crowded buses can be a hassle, at least assuming that if you have two kids that they are very closely spaced in age. If they're a bit more spaced (say three years), it becomes much less of an issue. (and if you're on one of those buses with fewer than 10 riders, than it should be easy!)

I can understand how for some people and some situations driving is easier for families. But it's not a given. There is not one single all-purpose parent perspective. What is "easy" is often a matter of opinion and varies by individual, by location (including availability of parking), and any number of other variables. And in some cases driving may be easier, in others walking or public transportation easier.
Those double strollers are huge rigs! We get some parents bringing those suckers into the office. They're huge, bulky and unwieldy. It's hard to get them into the patient rooms, and there's not much space to leave them in the hallway. Once in the room, they take up half the space available.

Get back to us when you have child #2. You are really not capable of telling us what it's like to manage two kids. Three years apart? So you have a toddler and an infant. Piece of cake, not. I should know. That's the spacing between my kids. Granted, easier than kids 1-2 years apart, but no picnic.
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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The problem with public transportation is that the "public" is on it.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:22 AM
 
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The problem with public transportation is that the "public" is on it.
Precisely my thought about highways and roads
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:55 AM
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Re: Energy use of cars vs transit can vary drastically by place. In the Paris Metro (ÃŽle de France) rail transport is 3 times more efficient than driving while and buses about 2.4 times.

http://www.eltis.org/studies/TPI19995E05.pdf
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:15 AM
 
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Re: Energy use of cars vs transit can vary drastically by place. In the Paris Metro (ÃŽle de France) rail transport is 3 times more efficient than driving while and buses about 2.4 times.

http://www.eltis.org/studies/TPI19995E05.pdf
The section about injuries and deaths is one that's very rarely discussed in our society. 40,000 deaths/year on American roads, yet society seems pretty unconcerned. Kind of strange, given that everyone frets over crime that's often localized to specific projects/areas of a city.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Which do u prefer and why?
I prefer cars. But it really depends on the car. If we're talking an M5 or a Porsche Panamera, then it's cars all day long.


BMW M5 vs Porsche Panamera GTS! - Head 2 Head Episode 16 - YouTube

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Also with cities like Chicago NY San Fran Philly Boston etc why are there so many cars on the highways in these cities that have dense walkable nieghborshoods and excellent public transportation?
Because driving is fun and convenient.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:33 PM
 
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The section about injuries and deaths is one that's very rarely discussed in our society. 40,000 deaths/year on American roads, yet society seems pretty unconcerned. Kind of strange, given that everyone frets over crime that's often localized to specific projects/areas of a city.
Because cars are so great they're worth the risk.

Crime isn't even in the same category, no matter what epidemiologists like to think. There's a difference between a risk of accidental death and injury and a risk of crime that makes analyzing the latter as if it were the former produce meaningless results. Furthermore, while it is currently true in most cities that crime is mostly localized to specific areas, that has not been the case in recent history.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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Because cars are so great they're worth the risk.

Crime isn't even in the same category, no matter what epidemiologists like to think. There's a difference between a risk of accidental death and injury and a risk of crime that makes analyzing the latter as if it were the former produce meaningless results. Furthermore, while it is currently true in most cities that crime is mostly localized to specific areas, that has not been the case in recent history.
Nah, most people just don't have a choice.
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:36 AM
 
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Because cars are so great they're worth the risk.

Crime isn't even in the same category, no matter what epidemiologists like to think. There's a difference between a risk of accidental death and injury and a risk of crime that makes analyzing the latter as if it were the former produce meaningless results. Furthermore, while it is currently true in most cities that crime is mostly localized to specific areas, that has not been the case in recent history.
In all reality, the media just doesn't talk about it the same. I think that's a big part of it. Nobody even mentioned the dangers of driving in this discussion, while pages of discussion were dedicated to "women walking alone at night" regarding public transportation.

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Get ready, because this is some scary stuff. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), two out of three motorists will be involved in an injury accident during their life! Whether you are the one who becomes injured or not is another story, but that's some eye opening stuff. Two out of three? Geeze!

To add insult to injury (pun sort of intended), as a motorist you can expect to be involved in an accident once every 10 years. Even if you're the best driver in the world, you can't control other peoples driving. So once every decade or so, expect to be involved in a traffic crash. How long has it been for you? Oh, and I almost forgot... There is a 1 in 20 chance that the crash you have will involve a serious injury. Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?
Top three causes of death by age group:


http://www.drive-safely.net/driving-statistics.html

This information comes from the CDC. I'm pretty sure this excludes health-related deaths (heart attacks, cancer, etc.), even though the article didn't say so.

Notice that homicide firearm never overtakes motor vehicle deaths (Unintentional MV Traffic). Maybe people should reconsider what safety is?
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