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Old 06-17-2013, 03:37 AM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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Straight lines aren't natural either because they don't occur in nature.
Neither do cities, so implying they would somehow be "more natural" if they didn't follow straight lines is kind of absurd.

 
Old 06-17-2013, 06:56 PM
 
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Where are the straight lines and right angles in those things exactly?
Pine trees have trunks that grow in straight lines. Some cliffs form a right angle (cliff face versus top). Waterfalls fall in a straight line.

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Never seen a spider web or natural crystal with a straight line.
Then you most certainly have failed to look.
 
Old 06-17-2013, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I think block size is very important for encouraging walkablity.

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That is not to say that efforts at quantifying walkability stop at the level of retail availability. Another large-scale variable that is frequently examined in analyses of walkability is the form of an area’s street network. “The overall factor that drives a lot of it [walkability] is the network of streets with sidewalks” according to Micale. For instance, a grid-like layout, with its large number of four-way intersections, is highly connected, allowing a pedestrian to move efficiently from place to place along a choice of direct routes. ...

Similarly, networks characterized by short blocks are considered more pedestrian friendly according to Reid Ewing, Research Professor at the National Center for Smart Growth. By this criterion, it’s interesting to note that despite its enormous numbers of pedestrians compared to most US cities, many of Manhattan’s East-West blocks are actually quite pedestrian unfriendly due to their length, in Ewing’s opinion.
source: PlanPhilly | What makes a city walkable?
 
Old 06-17-2013, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Pine trees have trunks that grow in straight lines. Some cliffs form a right angle (cliff face versus top). Waterfalls fall in a straight line.


Then you most certainly have failed to look.
Snowflakes have six straight sides.
 
Old 06-20-2013, 07:30 PM
 
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Pine trees have trunks that grow in straight lines. Some cliffs form a right angle (cliff face versus top). Waterfalls fall in a straight line.


lol. None of those things are true.
 
Old 06-20-2013, 07:51 PM
 
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Snowflakes have six straight sides.


But snowflakes don't look anything like a street grid. Snowflakes don't have great long tedious stretches of unbroken straight lines and right angles. Snowflakes are composed of an intricate combination of lines and curves. Every snowflake is unique. But every grid is the same. A street layout that resembled a snowflake would probably be an improvement over a grid, imo.
 
Old 06-20-2013, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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But snowflakes don't look anything like a street grid. Snowflakes don't have great long tedious stretches of unbroken straight lines and right angles. Snowflakes are composed of an intricate combination of lines and curves. Every snowflake is unique. But every grid is the same. A street layout that resembled a snowflake would probably be an improvement over a grid, imo.
No, every street grid is not the same. Many blocks in Denver are broken up by parks large and small. There are some angled streets in Denver,too, including a major thoroughfare, Speer Blvd. The downtown streets are on a diagonal grid.
https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-...&ved=0CKEBELYD

If you're so concerned about "nature", perhaps you shouldn't live in a house.
 
Old 06-20-2013, 08:12 PM
 
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So what? Every major city has at least one park, gridded or not. Do you have a point?
 
Old 06-20-2013, 08:19 PM
 
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So what? Every major city has at least one park, gridded or not. Do you have a point?
Yes, stated in my first sentence. Since you don't "get it", I'll elaborate-the grid is interrupted by the parks.
 
Old 06-20-2013, 08:29 PM
 
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Yes, stated in my first sentence. Since you don't "get it", I'll elaborate-the grid is interrupted by the parks.

Not really.

If the park was in the shape of an octagon or a snowflake or some other non-rectangular shape then what you said might be true. But from what I can see they are not. The parks on the Denver map are all in the shape of a square or a rectangle. They are composed of straight lines and right angles, making them conform and align perfectly with the grid pattern. They do not break up or interrupt the grid they conform to it.
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