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PHL is expanding significantly to begin with. The Philly metro is not growing significantly in population or economically, I don't see increased demand for international travel (or other travel) to it, and other metros have other, closer airports with capacity. With US Airways and American likely to merge, PHL may be cut back in terms of flights as they get rid of competing services.
Trenton-Mercer and Wilmington, DE are both better positioned to take some minor destination flights away from Philly than Atlantic City is, as they can both draw on a much larger population willing to drive to them. I expect to see some other LCC's follow Frontier's lead in a few years.
If you are going to make another international airport, ABE (Lehigh Valley International) makes much more sense to me. It's in the middle of the growing Lehigh Valley, the same distance from Philly (and closer to the suburbs of Philly), and can also realistically pull in people from Harrisburg, NJ, and Scranton/WB. So it adds some markets which are currently poorly served in addition to hitting everything that Atlantic City does.
The only thing in Atlantic City at the moment is Spirit, and I can't really see that changing.
Not to mention ABE would also potentially draw from part of N Jersey as well.
I dont by the need for PT for these smaller airports
How many people take PT to EWR or PHL today, not all that many
Not to mention ABE would also potentially draw from part of N Jersey as well.
I dont by the need for PT for these smaller airports
How many people take PT to EWR or PHL today, not all that many
Also A/B is a metro of 900K, AC is 300K
Newly built International airports MUST have an access road that connects to a freeway. The area surrounding ABE towards Rte 22 is filled with Residential and commercial development. It is quite difficult for me to plan an airport access expressway from Rte 22 to ABE and design a reasonably large international terminal without cutting through buildings.
However, I would be able to plan a facility similar to Atlantic City International airport at Wilkes Barre & Scranton International airport further north. Only disadvantage is finding viable public transit connectivity to Philly, Harrisburg, and Northern NJ.
Where do you live in New Jersey. From what I know, NYC and Northern NJ suburbs have good bus connectivity to Atlantic City, and Philadelphia has a train to AC.
I don't live in New Jersey. But if the "Atlantic City" airport were more convenient, I might visit Atlantic City more often. Spirit offers good fares and is great for those who travel light.
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Reason: Add note on Spirit, not intended to be an endorsement
I don't live in New Jersey. But if the "Atlantic City" airport were more convenient, I might visit Atlantic City more often. Spirit offers good fares and is great for those who travel light.
Then which part of NJ do you visit often. I am guessing that you are a business traveller who frequently visits a particular company in south jersey.
Please forgive me if I made the incorrect assumption .
Good afternoon Guys, I would like to ask you what you think about my Plan for Constructing a new terminal at Atlantic City International Airport. The new Terminal will be much larger than the current terminal, and will be able to handle 10 Boeing 777-300's at a given indtant of time. It will have a much wider national network, as well as Transatlantic Flights to Spain, Netherlands, Finland, and Poland. The international Destinations I mentioned are not currently available at PHL.
Why do you think southern Jersey could support an airport of this magnitude?
Why do you think southern Jersey could support an airport of this magnitude?
Trenton Logistically would probably make most sense in between NYC and Philly and could more easially pull from the two markets. The populatiuon within 25 and 50 miles of Trenton is significantly higher than either ABE or ACY
Trenton Logistically would probably make most sense in between NYC and Philly and could more easially pull from the two markets. The populatiuon within 25 and 50 miles of Trenton is significantly higher than either ABE or ACY
I would like to see another station added to the West Trenton line by the Trenton Mercer Airport so that people could ride the train right to the airport. It would probably make sense to move the current station, but Horizon Health may object if their customers and staff use the train.
But developing an airport takes decades. For many years Pittsburgh was the dominant airport in Pennsylvania. Philadelphia only passed Pittsburgh in number of passengers in the mid 1990's. You can't build an international airport in the middle of nowhere.
I would like to see another station added to the West Trenton line by the Trenton Mercer Airport so that people could ride the train right to the airport. It would probably make sense to move the current station, but Horizon Health may object if their customers and staff use the train.
But developing an airport takes decades. For many years Pittsburgh was the dominant airport in Pennsylvania. Philadelphia only passed Pittsburgh in number of passengers in the mid 1990's. You can't build an international airport in the middle of nowhere.
Your thread about the West Trenton Line a couple years ago was an inspiration for me .
I have started a separate poll for the West Trenton Line, outlining my plan. It is obvious that Currently, the West Trenton line will be given more importance than AC airport considering the magnitude of traffic along Route 206. I would like to see this rail project completed by 2020
With Regards to Trenton Mercer Airport, let me take a look at it and see if I am able to plan something Innovative. If so, I will safely debunk the AC Airport plan. I am a Central Jersey guy, and would much rather support an airport in this region . Additionally I will add a TMA train station along NJ Transit West Trenton Line and a connecting underground monorail to the passenger Terminal. Ridership levels should surge once this line is completed.
Only drawback is that I cant guarantee international flights to Europe, since the runways are too small to support a Boeing 777-300.
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Your thread about the West Trenton Line a couple years ago was an inspiration for me .
I have started a separate poll for the West Trenton Line, outlining my plan. It is obvious that Currently, the West Trenton line will be given more importance than AC airport considering the magnitude of traffic along Route 206. I would like to see this rail project completed by 2020
With Regards to Trenton Mercer Airport, let me take a look at it and see if I am able to plan something Innovative. If so, I will safely debunk the AC Airport plan. I am a Central Jersey guy, and would much rather support an airport in this region . Additionally I will add a TMA train station along NJ Transit West Trenton Line. Ridership levels should surge once this line is completed.
Only drawback is that I cant guarantee international flights to Europe, since the runways are too small to support a Boeing 777-300.
Honestly there is no no immeadiate need for additional Int'l capacity - this would be regional and Domestic. EWR, JFK, PHL will continue to be Int'l drivers regardless
Also the challenge with the West Trenton Line is is really doesnt do a great job to funnel people to NYC, PT would expensive. Not sure if the RiverLine extended to TTN would make more sense but in all honesty I dont PT is make or break - most people that would use this would drive there - also taxis from Trenton could be had for less than 10 bucks
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