05-20-2013, 06:27 AM
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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There are literally hundreds of places to stay on OR coast. I have never had a problem finding one while there. Even peak summer I have found stuff very easy. Astoria is another place I'm not keen on. (Too big, away from the coast, lots of run down areas (and a couple real nice spots! too)
Newport, Lincoln City have zillions of nice and even cheap hotels. MUCH closer to nice scenic beaches.
My favorites to STAY on OR coast if you are going south to north... are
Yachats (nice tide pools in town),
Newport (nice harbor, lighthouse North side of town)
Otter Crest (HUGE condo/hotel / overnight above water)
Depot Bay (
Whale Cove BEFORE you get there is Beautiful and has some lodging),
Surfrider (south of Lincoln City , NICE views for stormy nights), Lincoln City,
Pacific City / 3 capes (small towns but sandy beaches).
Twin Rocks / Rockaway. ...Manzanita, Arch Cape, Cannon Beach (probably most beautiful with GREAT views and lots happening),
Seaside (carnival town with promenade),
If you want to go to Portland and St Helens, and Columbia Gorge, Don't waste your time on Astoria and LongBeach, WA
There is tons of nice fun stuff to do in Portland and Columbia Gorge. There is literally NO coast to see north of Seaside, except a couple sandy spots. and some nice parks, but Nothing like
https://www.google.com/search?q=nort...BKvjigK1g4HACQ
Hug Point ALONE, is good enough for me, next turn off north of Arch Cape, OR. I run out (1 hr) for sunset or on hot days, or any chance I get.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hug+...2&ved=0CDMQsAQ
Have a great time... don't stress about finding places. Find spots you LIKE and spend the night there!!!
Weekends on the Coast, you might be a little more diligent. Worse case you have to drive inland 1 hr to find a place.
Hippie town... Consider ZigZag, OR since you are missing Eugene.
05-20-2013, 08:44 AM
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StealthRabbit, you've convinced me to redo the whole trip after California. I'm excited because we can see things around Portland now too.
05-20-2013, 04:25 PM
Location: Seattle area
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If you go to Portland, visit the
Pittock Mansion
05-20-2013, 09:18 PM
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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There is a very nice Mt St Helen's visitor's center at Castle Rock, WA Exit , 2 miles east (Your National Park pass will get you free admission) This exit is ~ 1 hr north of Portland on I-5.
In Portland you MUST see the International Rose Garden (near Zoo / Washington Park, GREAT at sunset (view of city and mt Hood)) also another Rose Garden at Peninsula Park (just off I-5 north of Portland city.
Of course
Powell Books .
Locations - Powell's Books
I like to go on Weds, and take in the Farmer's Market (10 - 2pm) in the Park Blocks, near the Art Museum, free concerts at noon. (If it is hot out, NICE AC in Museum library (Free in afternoons).
Oregon Historical Museum is just across the street, and very nice.
Roses in Portland, Oregon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Portland Parks & Recreation :: Washington Park International Rose Test Garden
Portland
International Rose Test Garden - Portland - Reviews of International Rose Test Garden - TripAdvisor
(Pittock Mansion is very near, and nice gardens too)
If you go to
Zigzag , go on up the Mt to
Timberline Lodge , then over the top and back down hwy 35 into Hood River (very nice,) Then back to I-5 via I 84, but especially
take the Scenic Highway after Bonneville Dam.
01-26-2014, 11:45 PM
Location: Oregon, Pacific Northwest
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I like your plan, but I would take out out Bend and Diamond Lake. Neither Bend or Diamond Lake are that scenic, and nothing compared to what you can find in Washington. Most of the Oregon Cascade Range is a vast plateau---not very scenic or rugged. Crater Lake is nice, but rather out of the way. Going to Diamond Lake would be like driving through nonstop dry forest, with occasional views. Anything you can find in Oregon, you can find it in Washington, but usually much better. The exception is the Oregon Coast, which is probably better than the WA coast (with the exception of the Olympic National Park Coast.) Also, someone mentioned Oregon Sand Dunes. I would point out that it is not a national park, and not really that worth it to stop and see. For Mt. Hood, I would skip it, since its just a very tiny and inferior version of Mt. Rainier in Washington. You don't get that same awe feeling at Hood like you get at Rainier. Same with St. Helens, which is also not nearly as big or tall. Still, St. Helens is a worthy destination since it is a volcano that recently blew up, which is pretty cool, I'd say!
What I would do, is take Hwy 101 along the Oregon Coast, take OR Hwy 6 across the lush Oregon Coastal Mountains to U.S. 26, which leads to Portland. Then I would go straight through Portland, since there's not much to do here (I should know, since I live here), then take I-84 East, detour onto the Historic Columbia River Hwy, to Crown Point (best view of the Gorge from above), then down to Multnomah Falls, and a number of other scenic falls. Get back onto I-84 and cross the Bridge of the Gods into Washington, and take the (arguably more scenic) Lewis and Clark Hwy east (WA-14), passing under several cool tunnels, and in my opinion gives the most scenic views of the Gorge. Much better than travelling on freeways. Plus, Hwy 14 is much sunnier, which gives you a much less tree-obstructed view of the gorge, including a great view across to Oregon's side as well. Continue on WA-14 east until you reach White Salmon and WA Hwy 141. (If you want to skip White Salmon, take ALT-141, which bypasses the town.) Travel north on WA-141 to the lovely small town of Trout Lake below Mount Adams, one of the tallest and most impressive mountains in the Cascade Range. Travel north from Trout Lake on the Mount Adams Recreation Hwy for a very short distance, then make a Y turn left onto the scenic Forest Road 23, which passes through beautiful old growth forests, and leads up to a very beautiful viewpoint of Mount Adams. Continue on FR 23 and when you come to another Y fork, stay left again, which becomes Forest Road 90. The road to the right (continuation of FR 23) becomes gravel. Continue on FR 90 along the scenic Lewis River, make sure to stop at the Lewis River Falls. Continue heading west, until you come to an intersection with Forest Road 25. Take FR 25 north (right) for several miles until you come to an intersection with Forest Road 99, which branches off to the left towards Windy Ridge. Take FR 99 to Windy Ridge Viewpoint for the best views of Mount St. Helens. Head back on FR 99 to FR 25, turn left (north), and take it all the way to U.S. Hwy 12 (White Pass Scenic Byway). Turn right on U.S. hwy 12, and head east, toward Packwood. From Packwood, take the Curly Creek Road (FR 55) to your left (north) to WA-Hwy 706. Turn right on Hwy 706 to Mount Rainier National Park, head up to Paradise, and then east on the very scenic Stevens Canyon Road. Once you reach WA-Hwy 123, turn left towards Sunrise/White River (north). Take 123 to a Y-intersection with WA-Hwy 410. Turn right and swichback up and over Chinook Pass, stop at Tipsoo Lake (very beautiful reflections of Rainier), and head down to meet up with Hwy 12 again, then take Hwy 12 east (left) to Yakima, WA. From Yakima, take I-84 north to Ellensburg, merge left onto I-90, and get off I-90 just as you leave Ellensburg. Take U.S. 97 north to Leavenworth, you can make the short detour there if you wish, then continue along U.S. 97 along the Columbia River (or alterlately U.S. 97A), which takes the west side of the river and passes the town of Chelan (near Lake Chelan). Continue on U.S. 97 and take the shortcut WA-Hwy 153 (on your left). Meet up with WA Hwy 20 (North Cascades Scenic Byway), and turn left (west) heading towards Washington Pass. Take WA-20 past Diablo Lake and Ross Lake, and down to Deception Pass. Cross here, and take the ferry across to the Olympic Peninsula. Don't bother to stop at Hurricane Ridge, since you have already seen mountains more rugged than this by travelling over North Cascades and Mount Rainier. Take U.S. 101 and loop around the peninsula, then start heading south. Turn left and head up to the Hoh Rainforest Visitor Center. Then backtrack back to 101, and head south, perhaps stop at the Olympic NP beach (right off the Hwy), then take U.S. 12 east, then WA-8 east to Olympia, WA (Washington Capitol). Then head north a ways on I-5 to Seattle.
See this map of what I just described:
https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...01022,5.410767
01-26-2014, 11:54 PM
Location: Oregon, Pacific Northwest
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01-28-2014, 12:12 AM
Location: Oregon, Pacific Northwest
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A note on the map, you can click on a photo icon and see a picture(s).
Making maps are pretty much one of my favorite things. You can use it to help you decide what to see. If you want recommendations on where to camp at, please ask! I'm most familiar with the Portland area, Mt. Hood, Mt. Adams, Gifford Pinchot National Forest, Mount Rainier National Park, and the Mount St. Helens National Volcanic Monument. I've been visiting Mt. Adams for so long, I've pretty much gotten the maps memorized like the back of my hand! lol! I can help most of all with Mt. Adams, Gifford Pinchot NF, and Mount Rainier, since I'm most familiar with those areas. But again, my recommendation is skip Oregon's Cascades, go for the Oregon Coast, definitely make sure to see Mt. Rainier, Mt. St. Helens, and the North Cascades National Parks. The North Cascades are the most rugged portion of the Cascade Range, and will feel like you're in the Swiss Alps! :O
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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There is tons of nice fun stuff to do in Portland and Columbia Gorge. There is literally NO coast to see north of Seaside, except a couple sandy spots. and some nice parks, but Nothing like 
Making maps are pretty much one of my favorite things. You can use it to help you decide what to see. If you want recommendations on where to camp at, please ask! I'm most familiar with the Portland area, Mt. Hood, Mt. Adams, Gifford Pinchot National Forest, Mount Rainier National Park, and the Mount St. Helens National Volcanic Monument. I've been visiting Mt. Adams for so long, I've pretty much gotten the maps memorized like the back of my hand! lol! I can help most of all with Mt. Adams, Gifford Pinchot NF, and Mount Rainier, since I'm most familiar with those areas. But again, my recommendation is skip Oregon's Cascades, go for the Oregon Coast, definitely make sure to see Mt. Rainier, Mt. St. Helens, and the North Cascades National Parks. The North Cascades are the most rugged portion of the Cascade Range, and will feel like you're in the Swiss Alps! :O
