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It's not cold to you. It's far too cold to me. But either way, 9°C isn't the temperature for a larger portion of the day; the low matters. For frosts, obviously.
To be honest, I'm kind of leaning towards Owen. I don't think Philadelphia has milder winters than here on average, no way, but it certainly has had many winter months with higher average maximums than us recently, but with lower average minimums of course. But my primary concern in winter is the retention of snow - and if the snow melts, I don't care how low the temperature is at night.
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Seems to be one of the best UK climates. summers still are way too cool to my tastes, but quite descent the rest of the time, especially nice mild winters.
But my primary concern in winter is the retention of snow - and if the snow melts, I don't care how low the temperature is at night.
You'll be fine, so does the snow. As we saw this "spring", the avg high was around 4.5C and the avg low around -8C, but the snowpack melted some 5 cm during a 10 day period.
Those cold nights make the snow so icy hard cold, that it has no time to melt, especially if new snow falls. And this was early April, and the sun strength was already considerable. The snowpack started to melt fast only when nights were above freezing and it had 24 hours a day time to melt.
Winters in Turku would be absolutely fine, even if it doesn't snow that much, at least the snow sticks around, and you guys don't get very mild in the winter, plus it's quite cloudy in the winter with a very low sun angle, all of which help to preserve the snow. Even a place like Stockholm, which has rather 'so-so' averages, can retain snow for months even in 'normal' winters. Mild winters are a big no-no however.
To be honest, I'm kind of leaning towards Owen. I don't think Philadelphia has milder winters than here on average, no way, but it certainly has had many winter months with higher average maximums than us recently, but with lower average minimums of course. But my primary concern in winter is the retention of snow - and if the snow melts, I don't care how low the temperature is at night.
Yea thats what my view is, they keep going on and on about the mean to make their climates colder. But in reality their climate is not that cold, they only get the mad lows because of the continental climate. If their climate was here it would not be that low. But does it really matter when it gets to 9c in the day anyway...
Snow could probably last here longer if it is about 5c in the day and 1c at night all week than 9c and -5c there all week.
But my primary concern in winter is the retention of snow - and if the snow melts, I don't care how low the temperature is at night.
Except low temperatures have an effect on snow retention. A spell of days in the high 30s won't have much melting snow if the lows are in the low 20s (or even more so below that). If the lows rise to near freezing, snow dissipates much more quickly.
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Originally Posted by Mac15
It doesn't matter if all the snow melts.
It didn't occur to me that snow retention was important.
We all have a different perspective. Since I don't care for much winter, I don't care much about snow retention, I'm more interested in how comfortable I'll feel in the early morning. My average low of 14°F on a January morning means I have to carefully bundle up. If it were say, 27°F, less so. The low matters. In the shoulder season, it affects the frost frequency.
However, for my ideal 4 season climate, I did design the winters to be fairly good at keeping snow, but much more importantly, getting snow. And also relatively mild lows for winter, that quickly warm up in the shoulder season. I thought warmer winter lows would be unrealistic, but Ariete made his even warmer. Actually, I should make a version 2, there's no reason the cold season lows need to be that cold, but I was trying not have the diurnal range too much smaller than summer.
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