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Old 03-04-2016, 02:42 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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London is not close to any other climate zones, but individual years are as likely to be classified as Csb as they are Cfb.
Do you think it's accurate to regard London as transitional Cfb/Csb?

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Yeaaaah...I guess that's when Koppen's blatant flaws show.

Heck, according to Koppen, Goulburn and Wagga Wagga, which are Cfb's, are more like Glasgow than they are like Sydney, apparently. Lol.
Goulburn makes sense, as its summers can be considered cool, but Wagga is much too warm during summer.

Koppen might have seen things differently, if he had the resources available these days.
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Old 03-04-2016, 03:40 AM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Goulburn makes sense, as its summers can be considered cool, but Wagga is much too warm during summer.

Koppen might have seen things differently, if he had the resources available these days.
How so? Despite its cool 12C nights, Goulburn's summer highs are around 27C (still closer to Wagga's). In contrast, Glasgow's highs are around 19C in the summer. Either way, a lot of places with a Cfa climate have 27C summers.

Incidentally, I think Wagga Wagga has the hottest summers of any Cfb cities (if I'm not mistaken).
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Old 03-04-2016, 03:52 AM
 
Location: Freiburg
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The closest I have found is a dfb climate in Augsburg, Bavaria but that's still some ~ 400 km away.

300 km southeast of here we have the subarctic Zugspitze but very few people actually live up there.

440 km southwest of here is Lyon which is considered borderline Cfa by some.

Edit: Locarno, Switzerland is even closer with 330 km and is also considered borderline Cfa.
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Old 03-04-2016, 04:42 AM
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Location: Surrey/London
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Do you think it's accurate to regard London as transitional Cfb/Csb?



Goulburn makes sense, as its summers can be considered cool, but Wagga is much too warm during summer.

Koppen might have seen things differently, if he had the resources available these days.
I think of you worked out the median or modal rainfall rather than the mean, you would get much drier summers. In the last 30 years, 14 of them have met the Csb rainfall requirements (14 Cfb, 1 Cfa, 1 Dfb), but then you get record wet months like Aug 2004 or July 2007/2012 that raise the average.

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Old 03-04-2016, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Paris, ÃŽle-de-France, France
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Looked up the weather history... Dfb is pretty common depends on if continental flow happens far dominant and consistent though not in recent years.
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:16 AM
 
Location: USA
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Before global warming: none

Now: Cfa
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Old 03-04-2016, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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How so? Despite its cool 12C nights, Goulburn's summer highs are around 27C (still closer to Wagga's). In contrast, Glasgow's highs are around 19C in the summer. Either way, a lot of places with a Cfa climate have 27C summers.

Incidentally, I think Wagga Wagga has the hottest summers of any Cfb cities (if I'm not mistaken).
If you're using Koppen, then Goulburn is Cfb, and Wagga is Cfa. Only the average temperatures matters.
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Old 03-04-2016, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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Some years Portland registers as Csa which is somewhat misleading.
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Old 03-05-2016, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Trondheim, Norway - 63 N
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Several climates zones are present in my municipality. At least three, maybe up to 5. In the city at least two.
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Old 03-05-2016, 03:13 AM
 
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I am about 400 km from Dfc as the crow flies according to old school norms. Because of the global warming I except that distance is getting bigger.
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