Ultimate Climate Classification System (nights, highs, East, maximum)

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by muslim12

That is very true, same weather patterns up and down the east coast, except further south you are the warmer. Personally I never had a hard time coping with the fact boston is almost in the same climate as Orlando.

I can't put a place that's almost tropical in the same group as a place that's continental, where on the same winter day, you can wear shorts and a T shirt comfortably in one, while in the other, you need long pants, long sleeve shirt and heavy coat

[Joe90]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

I can't put a place that's almost tropical in the same group as a place that's continental, where on the same winter day, you can wear shorts and a T shirt comfortably in one, while in the other, you need long pants, long sleeve shirt and heavy coat

That is true of all Kopnen's C climates though.

Climates within a group obviously don't all feel the same.

[muslim12]

Originally Posted by Joe90

That is true of all Kopnen's C climates though.

Climates within a group obviously don't all feel the same.

Imo, if climatologists worldwide have accepted koepnens methods for more than a century then why are we disputing them now? If they were so majorly flawed you would think there would be more of a movement to change it.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Joe90

That is true of all Kopnen's C climates though.

Climates within a group obviously don't all feel the same.

But this is why I feel Koppen is too simple, I stand by my new system, you two can choose to agree or not (you and muslim12)

[Joe90]

Originally Posted by muslim12

Imo, if climatologists worldwide have accepted koepnens methods for more than a century then why are we disputing them now? If they were so majorly flawed you would think there would be more of a movement to change it.

Yep, and also classification is secondary to data specific to a location.

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

But this is why I feel Koppen is too simple, I stand by my new system, you two can choose to agree or not (you and muslim12)

Your system also groups climates that wouldn't share much day to day weather and wouldn't feel the same.

That isn't the purpose of a classification anyway (unless you're doing a holiday guide). Classification should be a best attempt at cause and effect of thermal dynamics on a global scale.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Joe90

Yep, and also classification is secondary to data specific to a location.



Your system also groups climates that wouldn't share much day to day weather and wouldn't feel the same.

That isn't the purpose of a classification anyway (unless you're doing a holiday guide). Classification should be a best attempt at cause and effect of thermal dynamics on a global scale.

There is some practical usefulness in my system though, my A group corresponds to where coconut palms can grow unprotected, and in my B group as well as my Oceanic C group, is where palms like Washingtonia's can survive, and also, my B group and Oceanic C Group are the poleward limit of places where snow is limited to non existant

[deneb78]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

There is some practical usefulness in my system though, my A group corresponds to where coconut palms can grow unprotected, and in my B group as well as my Oceanic C group, is where palms like Washingtonia's can survive , and also, my B group and Oceanic C Group are the poleward limit of places where snow is limited to non existant

Ain't no Washingtonias here in Vancouver and I doubt they'd survive in Paris or Copenhagen either just sayin....

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by deneb78

Ain't no Washingtonias here in Vancouver and I doubt they'd survive in Paris or Copenhagen either just sayin....

They can survive in Eureka, CA which has a Csd climate in my system, Dry Summer Cool Oceanic Mild Summer as an example

[deneb78]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

They can survive in Eureka, CA which has a Csd climate in my system, Dry Summer Cool Oceanic Mild Summer as an example

But then don't you think your Oceanic C category is too broad then if you put Eureka and Vancouver and Nelson in the same category? I know Eureka and the Northern California coast grows many things that would never make it here or in Copenhagen or Paris.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by deneb78

But then don't you think your Oceanic C category is too broad then if you put Eureka and Vancouver and Nelson in the same category? I know Eureka and the Northern California coast grows many things that would never make it here or in Copenhagen or Paris.

Well, maybe could make a split with the coolest month maximum, say, if coolest months maximum is 53°F or higher, it moves up to B Oceanic, which would then make Eureka Bsd, does that sound better? It would also change Nelson to Boc from Coc, and Motueka from Cod to Bod. Is that better?