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Old 03-14-2017, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Key Biscayne, FL
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Yeah Houston is a little hotter in summers, but point is they will most likely feel the same (humid steamy hot). Add that The Villages are a bit inland... which further should compound the misery. Can't a bit of sea breeze be traced in Miami during summer et cetera?

As for the OP I'd advise the person to try and go to Winnipeg and see how he likes March mornings there. Or that today was the first day of the year that reached the high of Ocalla's average low in January.

Consider that
Where I live and other areas near the immediate coast yes, but it doesn't really help all that much. You end up with 88/79 instead of 92/75, something that happens when your ocean is a bathtub lol.
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Old 03-14-2017, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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Here sea level rise isn't even a thing. Can't speak for the whole world obviously, but I live very near the Baltic Sea and there have been zero instances of flooding during my lifetime.

I think it's also a grand delusion that Greenland and the Antarctica would melt. Have those people even seen a weatherbox of Vostok or the South Pole or not to mention the Eismitte recordings of interior Greenland? Sure the planet might get pretty warm but sea levels rising would take thousands of years in most places.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eismitte#Climate

Alex and AJ for example ain't going under water anytime soon Swedish state-run television for kids actually said that Florida would cease to exist back in 1997, probably to brainwash the millenial kids into far-leftism (they had great success, my generation in Sweden is full of political idiots). That was ludicrous. Both denialism and excessive fearmongering need to be combated in equal measures. They essentially said that Florida would have to be evacuated by 2030...

What is interesting is that Linköping was actually warmer in 1991-2001 in January than in 2002-2016. That is also one weird anomaly. The 90's saw a sudden rise of temps in Sweden that since then have stabilized. The warming has decreased even though averages go up all the time. So there needs to be some sense and caution to the wind here.

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Old 03-14-2017, 02:36 PM
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Here sea level rise isn't even a thing. Can't speak for the whole world obviously, but I live very near the Baltic Sea and there have been zero instances of flooding during my lifetime.
Scandinavia has a natural sea level decrease from glacial rebound, more than any rise from global warming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-glacial_rebound

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I think it's also a grand delusion that Greenland and the Antarctica would melt. Have those people even seen a weatherbox of Vostok or the South Pole or not to mention the Eismitte recordings of interior Greenland? Sure the planet might get pretty warm but sea levels rising would take thousands of years in most places.
The edges of the ice sheet touch the sea, where the air and and sea is mild enough at times to cause melting.
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Old 03-14-2017, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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Scandinavia has a natural sea level decrease from glacial rebound, more than any rise from global warming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-glacial_rebound
The post-glacial rebound is dormant in north-central Sweden, not really here. The ice sheet was not that strong here naturally because of the lower latitudes.
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Old 03-14-2017, 02:41 PM
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The post-glacial rebound is dormant in north-central Sweden, not really here. The ice sheet was not that strong here naturally because of the lower latitudes.
wikipedia map shows it's still high in southern Sweden
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Old 03-14-2017, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Trondheim, Norway - 63 N
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Here sea level rise isn't even a thing. Can't speak for the whole world obviously, but I live very near the Baltic Sea and there have been zero instances of flooding during my lifetime.

I think it's also a grand delusion that Greenland and the Antarctica would melt. Have those people even seen a weatherbox of Vostok or the South Pole or not to mention the Eismitte recordings of interior Greenland? Sure the planet might get pretty warm but sea levels rising would take thousands of years in most places.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eismitte#Climate
The edges is melting, not just due to rising air temperatures but also because the ice there meets the sea. In addition, melting ice on top of the ice sheet results in water running down to the bottom of the glacier in cracks, and there they "lubricate" the bedrock as it meets the ice, one reason the ice has speeded up towards the sea, which in turn results in more melting as more of the ice moves and get in contact with water, which give space for more ice running towards the sea...its a positive feedback.

Also, increased bush vegetation on the arctic tundra results in more of the suns heat being absorbed, giving earlier snow melt. Same with melting sea ice giving less albedo and more sun warmth being absorbed by the sea...another positive feedback.
Even the decreased aerosols in the air, giving less dimming of the sun (and more sunhours) in the Arctic is a driver for higher temperatures.
And then there is the methane, a greenhouse gas much more powerful than CO2. A little more warming might give huge methane-bursts from the sea bed into the atmosphere.
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Old 03-14-2017, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Key Biscayne, FL
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Originally Posted by lommaren View Post
Here sea level rise isn't even a thing. Can't speak for the whole world obviously, but I live very near the Baltic Sea and there have been zero instances of flooding during my lifetime.

I think it's also a grand delusion that Greenland and the Antarctica would melt. Have those people even seen a weatherbox of Vostok or the South Pole or not to mention the Eismitte recordings of interior Greenland? Sure the planet might get pretty warm but sea levels rising would take thousands of years in most places.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eismitte#Climate

Alex and AJ for example ain't going under water anytime soon Swedish state-run television for kids actually said that Florida would cease to exist back in 1997, probably to brainwash the millenial kids into far-leftism (they had great success, my generation in Sweden is full of political idiots). That was ludicrous. Both denialism and excessive fearmongering need to be combated in equal measures. They essentially said that Florida would have to be evacuated by 2030...

What is interesting is that Linköping was actually warmer in 1991-2001 in January than in 2002-2016. That is also one weird anomaly. The 90's saw a sudden rise of temps in Sweden that since then have stabilized. The warming has decreased even though averages go up all the time. So there needs to be some sense and caution to the wind here.
We usually get tidal flooding (which of course can be associated with sea level rise) a few times a year here in the low-lying areas.
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Old 03-14-2017, 03:17 PM
 
Location: North of South, South of North
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It's utterly fascinating that this thread pops up after TWO years of freakishly above average cold-season months, with November 2015, December 2015, January 2017 and February 2017 all being so far above average that it's not even funny. And those were hardly the only well-above average months in the U.S.; they're just the ones that stick out in my mind--we haven't had a below average month since January of last year where I live. Yet there were hardly any posts saying "GLOBAL WARMING CONFIRMED" during those months. This just seems to be the type of tactics used by these people: ignore all the record-obliterating warm months and wait for temperatures to dip slightly below average so that the same tired argument can be brought up again and again.

Perhaps we should look to overall trends instead of individual months when discussing global warming and the climate change that results from it.
You need to talk to this guy about it, as he is the one that said it today from Auburn, MA:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Cantore
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:58 PM
 
Location: The Carolinas
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Wait: let me pop some popcorn. . . this discussion is gonna be good.

(And for the record, when I was in elementary school in the. . erm. . . 1960's, it was all about the next impending ice age, believe it or not).
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Old 03-14-2017, 07:08 PM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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The 1970s scientists thought global cooling was coming as they talk about global warming is a myth. There was discussion on it, but certainly not a consensus on it. The wikipedia article on it makes clear

Academic analysis of the peer-reviewed studies published at that time shows that most papers examining aspects of climate during the 1970s were either neutral or showed a warming trend

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global...970s_awareness

it does list some scientific works arguing cooling may come but most described plenty of uncertainty.
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