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Despite all of that, the data show that there is a mean temperature difference of 3.9°C between Bergen and Motueka. To put that in context that's about the same difference as between Montreal and Chicago. Would you say Montreal and Chicago have similar climates?
Yes -similar in that snow and quite large seasonal range is a feature, but as with Motueka and Bergen, those average temperatures do still make quite a difference - the shoulder seasons in particular seem like like rather different seasons to me.
Motueka and Bergen are more different though, while minimums are fairly similar (1C)over the year, thanks to favourable radiational cooling conditions, the average maximum is between 4C and 9C warmer over the year - just about everywhere catches up with NZ in summer, but it's winters that really establish the difference in feel. Combined with different sunshine and precipitation patterns, I'd say it doesn't feel similar at all.
The 50 odd days of snowfall in Bergen are just a little different as well -more likely to reach 20C here in winter, than snow.
Just ask yourself if an average maximum of 11.5C feels similar to an average maximum of 18.5C, by comparison, my climate is virtually identical to Canberra -would you say Canberra feels similar to Bergen?
Despite all of that, the data show that there is a mean temperature difference of 3.9°C between Bergen and Motueka. To put that in context that's about the same difference as between Montreal and Chicago. Would you say Montreal and Chicago have similar climates?
Speaking of Montreal -I came upon this little gem from yesteryear, explaining why my climate belonged in the same classification as Montreal and Kiev
It's even more out there than the notion that Bergen, Motueka and Canberra have a similar climate.
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Originally Posted by Caleb Yeung
This system is an attempt to accurately compare continental and maritime climates.
Ask yourself this question: which is colder, Montreal or Hobart ?
With annual mean, you'd say Montreal, in spite of it's hotter summers.
With warm season mean, they're almost the same, with Hobart (14.725C) being slightly colder than Montreal (14.85C).
Now you can see why warm season mean makes more sense than annual mean, can't you?
Any thoughts on the Bergen, Motueka, Canberra comparison? - Motueka is much more like Canberra in relation to Bergen, so Canberra and Bergen could be said to have similar climates?
Yes -similar in that snow and quite large seasonal range is a feature, but as with Motueka and Bergen, those average temperatures do still make quite a difference - the shoulder seasons in particular seem like like rather different seasons to me.
Motueka and Bergen are more different though, while minimums are fairly similar (1C)over the year, thanks to favourable radiational cooling conditions, the average maximum is between 4C and 9C warmer over the year - just about everywhere catches up with NZ in summer, but it's winters that really establish the difference in feel. Combined with different sunshine and precipitation patterns, I'd say it doesn't feel similar at all.
The 50 odd days of snowfall in Bergen are just a little different as well -more likely to reach 20C here in winter, than snow.
Just ask yourself if an average maximum of 11.5C feels similar to an average maximum of 18.5C, by comparison, my climate is virtually identical to Canberra -would you say Canberra feels similar to Bergen?
I would say on a global perspective Montreal and Chicago are similar--but not identical.
I would also say on a global perspective Bergen and Motueka are similar--but not identical.
Consider the following places:
Bergen
Motueka
Yellowknife
Chicago
Beirut
Miami
Mumbai
Singapore
Riyadh
Clearly Motueka and Bergen share more in common with each other than with any other members of that list.
Any thoughts on the Bergen, Motueka, Canberra comparison? - Motueka is much more like Canberra in relation to Bergen, so Canberra and Bergen could be said to have similar climates?
Yes, I agree Motueka and Canberra are much more alike.
But when you zoom out they all start to look closer together--see my other post.
Yes, I agree Motueka and Canberra are much more alike.
But when you zoom out they all start to look closer together--see my other post.
Then why aren't Canberra and Motueka are in the same group? - remember that this system isn't about climate genetics, but about similarity.
Looking close together doesn't equal similarity - similarity means that the day to day experience of the climate, is much the same. Saying that Brisbane is more like NYC than Mecca, isn't really saying anything particularly useful.
Then why aren't Canberra and Motueka are in the same group? - remember that this system isn't about climate genetics, but about similarity.
Looking close together doesn't equal similarity - similarity means that the day to day experience of the climate, is much the same. Saying that Brisbane is more like NYC than Mecca, isn't really saying anything particularly useful.
Canberra and Motueka are in the same group; they're both Cof.
So Canberra and Bergen are similar climates? -maybe you could put that in a poll, and see how many people agree with that?
Any time you try to classify a continuous quantity into discrete categories you'll run into issues like this. That doesn't mean the process is inherently flawed.
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