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I skimmed this thread. People do realize the first three weeks of September in the Northern Hemisphere are in Summer....And it always feels that way in many locations in the US.
I skimmed this thread. People do realize the first three weeks of September in the Northern Hemisphere are in Summer....And it always feels that way in many locations in the US.
Meteorologists consider summer to be either June,July and August, or the 90 days with the highest mean temperatures. In the case of the Northeast that's generally June 6 to September 6. Sorry to say, summer is over everywhere except perhaps coastal California, where temperatures sometimes peak in October.
Funny, I thought Meteorologists thought Fall started when it was suppose to. Not when the CDF Meteorologists thought it started.
It was summer until September 23rd this year. About 90 Days after it started.
Again September is mostly a Summer month in the Northern Hemisphere. As June is mostly a spring month.
And surprise, it really feels that way. Might take a week, (Never seems like it at the start of Fall)
Astronomical Seasons
The astronomical definition uses the dates of equinoxes and solstices to mark the beginning and end of the seasons:
Spring begins on the spring equinox;
Summer begins on the summer solstice;
Fall (autumn) begins on the fall equinox; and
Winter begins on the winter solstice.
The beginning of each season marks the end of the last.
Because the timings of the equinoxes and solstices change each year, the length of astronomical seasons within a year and between years also vary.
Funny, I thought Meteorologists thought Fall started when it was suppose to.
If one looks at weather website they all describe summer as "JJA." And June features a lot more 90° days than September. Getting three in a row for an official heat wave is almost unheard of after say September 10. There are quite a few starting in June. 1925 featured a particularly memorable one starting around June 3; 1984 around June 7 or 8 and 2008 around the same time.
I skimmed this thread. People do realize the first three weeks of September in the Northern Hemisphere are in Summer....And it always feels that way in many locations in the US.
It's actually somewhat cooler then than in June unless you're on certain coasts, but you're right that U.S. summers tend to feel longer. Subtropical regions (South, Southwest, Mid-Atlantic) tend to have longer, hotter summers and shorter, milder winters by nature, while temperate North American (excluding PNW) regions are often longer/more intense in summer AND winter.
However, don't forget, there are places like Siberia, Iceland, parts of Alaska, parts of northern Canada and parts of northern Europe where leaves actually will change and even drop as early as August. The meteorological definition of a season (Jun-Aug, Sep-Nov, Dec-Feb, Mar-May) is more like a general guideline to warmer/colder temperatures, and the more common definition (NOT the true astronomical one; that would be having solstices and equinoxes as the mid-season) was invented by the Romans because the Mediterranean Sea lags their seasons more.
I've grown to learn that the definitions of seasons are very subjective and can vary regionally, which can make for some interesting discussions (including this one!).
I definitely consider september to be a summer month here, at least the first half of it. Summers are long, but then they're also quite hot. I would probably feel differently if I lived in Helsinki, but that's a different climate. Kinda like comparing Duluth with Kansas City.
But yeah I think it all depends on what you're used to, I have yet to meet a Canadian here so he can tell me about how he feels about our winter.
The meteorological definition of a season (Jun-Aug, Sep-Nov, Dec-Feb, Mar-May) is more like a general guideline to warmer/colder temperatures, and the more common definition (NOT the true astronomical one; that would be having solstices and equinoxes as the mid-season) was invented by the Romans because the Mediterranean Sea lags their seasons more.
I've grown to learn that the definitions of seasons are very subjective and can vary regionally, which can make for some interesting discussions (including this one!).
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I definitely consider september to be a summer month here, at least the first half of it. Summers are long, but then they're also quite hot.
I never thought about the Roman origin of season definition. That is a new perspective and talking point!
So glad I live in a place that the trees are alive all year long. So glad I can go to the beach or sit by the pool when others are trying to stay warm.
They're alive here year all year long, too, buddy. Do they not teach what "dormancy" is in California public schools?
Funny, I thought Meteorologists thought Fall started when it was suppose to. Not when the CDF Meteorologists thought it started.
It was summer until September 23rd this year. About 90 Days after it started.
Again September is mostly a Summer month in the Northern Hemisphere. As June is mostly a spring month.
And surprise, it really feels that way. Might take a week, (Never seems like it at the start of Fall)
Astronomical Seasons
The astronomical definition uses the dates of equinoxes and solstices to mark the beginning and end of the seasons:
Spring begins on the spring equinox;
Summer begins on the summer solstice;
Fall (autumn) begins on the fall equinox; and
Winter begins on the winter solstice.
The beginning of each season marks the end of the last.
Because the timings of the equinoxes and solstices change each year, the length of astronomical seasons within a year and between years also vary.
I still don't know why on a METEOROLOGICAL forum, people are using the astronomical definition. This isn't an astronomy forum.
In most places, the weather for a season starts way before the solstice and equinox anyway. Do you think that on a normal year, we don't see snow til late December? That's ridiculous. Also, what good is studying weather if you don't use fixed dates? The solstice changes, but September 1st is always September 1st. We get fall weather way before September 23rd. Sure, it can still be hot in September, but I'm talking about average.
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